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PostPosted: 18:25 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Why are exhausts so expensive Reply with quote

Had my exhaust on the Divvy go yesterday, right where the collector is, bike sounded just like a Harley...loll, anyway got a new stainless 4-1 to replace the 4-2 orignal thats been on for 17+ years so its lasted well. Went to Sandy Bike Spares in Bedford as they were advertising on ebay at £280 for a full stainless system, well good people sorted me out for £250 in pound notes. Still a lot of money for what they are though, anyway got the studs soaked with penertrating oil overnight as they are gonna be a git to get out.

Sad at the dent in my wallet now though straight after Christmas, sort of kills the idea of having a bike as cheap transport though dont it.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The silencer on the CB550F2 that my wife rode collapsed internally.So when I bought a brand new OEM item I soaked the baffles with old engine oil before installation.The silencer never gets hot enough to burn off the oil so the baffles last a lot longer.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get the nexus system? Also dont do what i did a forget to purchase the centre stand stop as well.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the material they are made out of and the complexity of the system I guess.

The Akrapovic system I have is a full system, so downpipes, pipe and endcan with carbon fibre end and it's all titanium, not too complex but there is a lot of welding on it. Brand new they sell for about £1200-£1500 I think. That's because of the complexity of cutting the right length pipes, welding it properly, downpipe shape and the actual material, titanium. If it was stainless steel no doubt it would be a lot cheaper.

Plus, there is the cost of RnD, no doubt they have to model them in 3D software first to get the exhaust gas flow right and such and such, so that must add to the cost.

That is my best guess anyway!
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get the nexus system? Also dont do what i did a forget to purchase the centre stand stop as well.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
Did you get the nexus system? Also dont do what i did a forget to purchase the centre stand stop as well.


No mate, Sandy Spares hand make make their own stainless system, it comes in two parts only and the centre stand stop is welded on to the link pie directly so it looks neater than having a seperate bracket on the left hand side. From what I have a read on the net it has a nice deep rumble sound as well, will let you know what I think of it when fitted and stick a picture up. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pics !!!!!!!!! Shocked Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sorry to say ive heard bad things about sandy bike spares downpipes, but this is on cbr's.
They cause terrible flatspots in the midrange due to there lack of balance pipes.
I dunno if your bike has them or not, hopefully not.
Something to check though.
check this pic


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https://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/mercmanricky/CBR600%20Downpipes/IMAG0027.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
It depends on the material they are made out of and the complexity of the system I guess.

The Akrapovic system I have is a full system, so downpipes, pipe and endcan with carbon fibre end and it's all titanium, not too complex but there is a lot of welding on it. Brand new they sell for about £1200-£1500 I think. That's because of the complexity of cutting the right length pipes, welding it properly, downpipe shape and the actual material, titanium. If it was stainless steel no doubt it would be a lot cheaper.

Plus, there is the cost of RnD, no doubt they have to model them in 3D software first to get the exhaust gas flow right and such and such, so that must add to the cost.

That is my best guess anyway!


Definitely a factor but I can't see it being a primary factor in their prices.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think on the "high end" names by the time it reaches consumer:

materials and labour = 50 -70% of what you actually pay. rest goes to brand name and distributors
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

654cc wrote:
i think on the "high end" names by the time it reaches consumer:

materials and labour = 50 -70% of what you actually pay. rest goes to brand name and distributors


although arn't silencers banged out on machines? they arn't all hand made are they, this vid shows some of each https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wTCSl-RZjM
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Why are exhausts so expensive Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
Had my exhaust on the Divvy go yesterday, right where the collector is, bike sounded just like a Harley...loll, anyway got a new stainless 4-1 to replace the 4-2 orignal thats been on for 17+ years so its lasted well. Went to Sandy Bike Spares in Bedford as they were advertising on ebay at £280 for a full stainless system, well good people sorted me out for £250 in pound notes. Still a lot of money for what they are though, anyway got the studs soaked with penertrating oil overnight as they are gonna be a git to get out.

Sad at the dent in my wallet now though straight after Christmas, sort of kills the idea of having a bike as cheap transport though dont it.


You might be able to use something like this to get the old nuts off the exhaust studs easier if they've been on for a long time.

https://www.diy.com/nav/fix/handtools-storage-workwear/handtools/blowlamps-soldering/blowlamps/GoSystem-DIY-Blow-Lamp-11248043

If you get the nuts red hot they should come off easier. The heat expands the nut causing it to release the grip on the stud threads.
Sometimes the bond between the nut and stud it too strong though and you might still have to drill and tap if not lucky.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Walloper, I'll see how I go with heat and penetrating oil, hopefully I wont snap them, if I do I'll be on the tube part of next week Sad
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 13 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
Cheers Walloper, I'll see how I go with heat and penetrating oil, hopefully I wont snap them, if I do I'll be on the tube part of next week Sad


If, May the God of Biking forbid, you expertly manage to break/brake/braike any, the easiest way to drill out a heat hardened stud (bastart) is to use a masonry bit.
If you can, grind the tip to a-sort-of cutting edge it will pish through the stud like butter.
I've used this top tip on the studs in heavy Diesels since my Engineer Shop mate suggested it for drilling hard material.

Hope you don't need.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it all went without a hitch, soaked in penertrating oil overnight, used some plactecine to make sort of cups to hold it and they cracked away without to much force. Got the new system on, just had to enlarge the rear bracket hole slightly to accomodate the bolt for the Givi Rack, very impressed with the look and sound. Its got a nice deep rumble, also seems to have smoothed the bike out a lot, old cans rattled quite a bit when I got them off so the baffles must have been shot. Thanks for all the suggestions folks.

I got a new shiny exhaust Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
Well it all went without a hitch, soaked in penertrating oil overnight, used some plactecine to make sort of cups to hold it and they cracked away without to much force. Got the new system on, just had to enlarge the rear bracket hole slightly to accomodate the bolt for the Givi Rack, very impressed with the look and sound. Its got a nice deep rumble, also seems to have smoothed the bike out a lot, old cans rattled quite a bit when I got them off so the baffles must have been shot. Thanks for all the suggestions folks.

I got a new shiny exhaust Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Laughing


Well done that man. Thumbs Up

The 'smoothing' may be due to the old exhaust being worn out. Exhausts 'muffle' sounds by absorbing the acoustic energy in the gasses. Plates which the sound bounces off inside the muffler wear and split so do not do the job they're supposed to do as well.

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PostPosted: 15:40 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok heres the pics of my handy work, I'm very pleased with the quality and sound of this system for the money.

https://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/A5tra_G/Bike%20Pictures/Newexhaust001.jpg

https://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/A5tra_G/Bike%20Pictures/Newexhaust002.jpg

https://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/A5tra_G/Bike%20Pictures/Newexhaust003.jpg

https://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/A5tra_G/Bike%20Pictures/Newexhaust004.jpg

https://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/A5tra_G/Bike%20Pictures/Newexhaust005.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice handy work, good on ya Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Why are exhausts so expensive Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
Went to Sandy Bike Spares in Bedford as they were advertising on ebay at £280 for a full stainless system, well good people sorted me out for £250 in pound notes. Still a lot of money for what they are though, anyway got the studs soaked with penertrating oil overnight as they are gonna be a git to get out.

Sad at the dent in my wallet now though straight after Christmas, sort of kills the idea of having a bike as cheap transport though dont it.


Laughing That makes me feel VERY good about the deal I got on my custom system for Benny.
I designed it myself, to make myself but the bender I had to use turned out to be inoperable.
So I took the bike to A44 exhausts in Worcester and they produced this based upon my designs with their own changes.
https://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/MacKaliba/MOAR008.jpg
25,000 penny's! They made that at a loss, originally quoting me up to £300.
I know they got it wrong the first time and had to scrap one pipe and god knows how many hours work!
They wouldn't even take a tip in the end, I felt like I was robbing them, top blokes!

Cheers,
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Why are exhausts so expensive Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
A5tra_G wrote:
Went to Sandy Bike Spares in Bedford as they were advertising on ebay at £280 for a full stainless system, well good people sorted me out for £250 in pound notes. Still a lot of money for what they are though, anyway got the studs soaked with penertrating oil overnight as they are gonna be a git to get out.

Sad at the dent in my wallet now though straight after Christmas, sort of kills the idea of having a bike as cheap transport though dont it.


Laughing That makes me feel VERY good about the deal I got on my custom system for Benny.
I designed it myself, to make myself but the bender I had to use turned out to be inoperable.
So I took the bike to A44 exhausts in Worcester and they produced this based upon my designs with their own changes.
https://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/MacKaliba/MOAR008.jpg
25,000 penny's! They made that at a loss, originally quoting me up to £300.
I know they got it wrong the first time and had to scrap one pipe and god knows how many hours work!
They wouldn't even take a tip in the end, I felt like I was robbing them, top blokes!

Cheers,
Mac.


Do they hoowurz not get dead warm? Great in the winter but melted in July.

Very Pretty Bends too.

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a tidy system astra.expecialy without that bracket on the left. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 14 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Why are exhausts so expensive Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Do they hoowurz not get dead warm? Great in the winter but melted in July.

Very Pretty Bends too.

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Why thanking yow!
To be honest I have not a clue yet, the bike's still a few months from running.. I have "lava" exhaust wrap arriving in about 5-6 weeks, which I'll wrap up to about where the pipes straighten at the end.
Still though, the right-hand carb (Mikuni flat slide off a DT, a BIG carb) will be incredibly close to that exhaust..
If it presents a problem then I'll make up a heat shield.. if the carb ain't sweating it however, then I certainly ain't. Mr. GreenThumbs Up

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