Does anyone buy new 1000cc sportsbike new anymore ?

[hornetmike]

The market seem to have changed to mostly adventure bikes and commuters.

We had the new s1000rr 2012 in today and it looks really good in the flesh, but sports bikes aren't what people are after at the moment.
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[nowhere.elysium]

I would do, were they not so prohibitively expensive.
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[andys675]

my 2p worth:-

no-one has £14k to spend

for a long time the average sports bike buyer has gone back to the dealer every 2-3 years to replace their bike, they would have to part with 2.5 to 3k to replace their bike and gone away happy

now they go back and the bikes have shot up in price due to the poor pound and strong yen, and the dealer says 5-6k to get the latest model and they can't afford it

[hornetmike]

Think George Whites is proof of that
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Current BMW R1200GS 2010

[Walloper]

Sports Bikes are not (though some will say different) every-day bikes or live-with bikes.
I think people want a bike to do more than a just Sunday Blast so will look at more versatile machines.
Sports Tourers or 'Adventure' bikes (Adventure is a shit name for bikes that probably do the same thing as most Un Adventure bikes).

I bought an new S1000RR new coz I wanted it. But I am very lucky to have more than one bike. One for Touring and one for Hooring.

I would not buy a Sportsbike as my only bike no matter what the PTW ratio is. I use a bike more than most so need my comfort.

I'm well impressed with the performance of my sportsbike but it has many limitations for what I do on bikes.

Softie Shitty Weather Biker.
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[TheBikerStig]

[pits]

With the 600-750cc sports bike market, I don't really see the point in needing a 1000cc bike, I took an 2000 R6 out the other day, and it was more than enough for the road, couple that in with the price of a 1000cc bike they seem kinda pointless.
A new R1 is £13k OTR
A new R6 is £9.5k OTR
The 2000 R6 I took out was fast enough for the road, and the new R6 is what, old R1 power? Just no need for it imho, and from what I am led to believe a decent rider on both bikes the R1 will struggle to lose the 6, just seems pointless when there are so many other cheaper alternatives which would deliver similar performance
R6
GSXR600/750
Triumph 675
MV Agusta 675 (same price as R6 pretty much)
ZX7r
Ducati 848 EVO

All capable bikes, which would easily play and keep up with their 1000cc equivalents, excluding straight line speed.
What's the point in spending more money than you have to?

Just my opinion really
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[Babba]

The actual sales figures if anyone's interested :

https://www.mcia.co.uk/Press-and-Statistics/NewReg_Statistics.aspx

[hmmmnz]

id never buy a new bike, even if i had the money to throw away,
id never buy a sports bike unless it had been crashed already and i was going to fighter it,
i see no point at all in buying a 1000cc sports bike,
fairings are gay and sports bikes are uncomfortable,
i'll stick to my muscle/nakeds thank you
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[fireyphoenix1...]

for the price ONE of those tart bikes goes for i could build 5 brilliant rats
a road bike
a crosser
an enduro
a full on survival bike
and .........i could finish my ratfighter

i just dont understand people spending that much on a bike the S1000RR when 99.9% of bikers will never have the skills to use most of what that bike has to offer

so the only reason that i can think of is poseing :L

sorry would rather ride something where i know the ins and outs of the machine mostly due to it being mostly built/ rebuilt by me
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[Rowey]

If I had the money I could quite happily fill a garage with bikes. All tailored to different conditions or moods. However In my opinion, my ninja 636 is more than enough for the rode. It can commute, albeit not as good as a tourer, and hoon as well as any 1000 sports. I've found that with 1000's, I'm never using the engine nearly as much as the 600's, where I can bounce along the limiter occasional and really use the gear box.

I find it just a lot easier to have my 600 sports bike and a cheap, small car (the tax and insurance is less than my bike and it has better MPG ) for the times when riding is neither practical or safe.
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[c-m]

[G]

If I had the cash to splash (and the desire), a new S1000RR would definitely be on the books as it offers something previous bikes don't.

Ok, it's been out a few years now, but I believe the electronics are a bit better this year.
It was another fireblade/r1 leap forward, rather than the usual iterative development.

If I did have the cash, certainly wouldn't be going near the R1 and probably not the GSXR either.

[Blau Zedong]

[Rogerborg]

[Walloper]

The bread and butter for these Big Dealers are the exotica. The manufacturers are not helping either buy forcing these outfits to sell massive quotas, possibly into a saturated market or lose the franchise.
Too many dealers and too many manufacturers to be sustainable in recession (Let's not kid ourselves, we've been in recession since Margaret Thatcher became PM.)
Obviously George White over estimated the purchasing power of British Bikers. (or some cnut wiz at the Fiddle.)
I hope to Christ we don't end up like Africa, South America and Asia and only have the choice of cheeep shite instead of the state-of-art tech. we are accustomed to.

Even if the big Manufacturers Cow-Tow to market forces they can only do so by shaving massive chunks/chinks off the quality and ability of the stuff we will be buying.

If the Eurobrats don't stop biking then the Manufacturers will.

On a side note, does anyone know if any of the dealers, manufacturers or the 'biking industry' have any say on this European anti bike legislation?
It seems it's only the punters who are jumping app an dahn about it. I would like to see BMW, Ducati, Honda et al take part in a demo one day...
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[Villers]

Back to the usual "cant use a 1000 on the road", "1000ccs are pointless" blah blah blah.

Perhaps a different view would be that people slog their guts out at work, day in day out, living a miserable existance whilst getting kicked in the bollocks at every point and therefore choose to spend what they want on whatever THEY want?

The views so far expressed (and Im just illustrating here, these arent my actual views) are seemingly a little short sighted when faced with the reality that we all like different things.

One gent stated he could build 5 ratbikes for the cost of a sportsbike. Fantastic, but whilst the guy loves ratbikes there are plenty of others who wouldnt be seen dead on something that looked like it had been in a shed.

Another stated his love of muscle bikes and went as far to say (perhaps tongue in cheek albeit) that fairngs were 'gay'. Again a very valid opinion, but one that would not be shared by others whom again would not like to ride a bike that had been previously crashed and then been rebuilt to someone elses taste.

As to the R6 vs R1, I would personally take the R1 all day long. Same goes for the GSXR6 v 1000, ZX6 vs Zx10R. The sole reason being because thats what I wan't, not what someone else thinks I want. I dont buy a bike hoping to be the fastest thing on two wheels, I buy bikes I like and excite me.

Anyway, at the moment Id have an RSV4 over pretty much anything else on the road, but I don't have that kind of cash laying about. I Certainly couldnt be spending £16k on a brand new bike, even if it was beatiful and amazing. On the other hand I wouldnt be paying £9k for the 600cc version either, absolutely stupid money.

In case anyone takes any offence at my above devils advocate, Id just like to say I share the same ideals as Rowey above. I would have a garage filled with every kind of bike, I love bikes, big ones, little ones, plastic ones or naked ones. I can only afford one and I have to make sure that the one I buy makes me happy!! Besides which the RSVR I have now is 1000cc but very little difference in power and performance to the 600ccs Ive previously had anyway.
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[Rogerborg]

[Polarbear]

I've just had the most rudimentary look through that sales stats and I have to say I'm stunned at how WELL the sales of motorbikes have stood up during this year compared to last.

While it's obvious scooter sales are going to be good as they are cheap and easy to use as commuters, the big bikes have stood up remarkably well considering most are really used as toys and not everyday transport.

So unless I'm reading this totally wrong, things don't look quite so bleak as I thought they would


Then again, tell that to GW's
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[Rogerborg]

[Walloper]

There's no profit in selling bikes. A £10K bike can give you all the after sales hassle a £20K car can give you and the mechanics who work on bikes need to eat too.
BMW charge £100/hr for car work so I don't think bikes can capture revenue like that.
We will still have main dealers but only in BIG Shittys like Lahndahn Manfester etc. Scotland???? We'll need to sook Snr. Salmond's Giblets for help with the bike industry or we'll end up having the best bloody bike roads in Britain but only the English, Dutch and Jermains riding around our bends...
We could negotiate that we'll leave Embra out of the Bikes in Bus Lanes debate in exchange for incentives for Bike Dealers.

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[Frost]

Sports bikes are generally toys for peoples entertainment rather than a day to day transport solution. The sales of more practical or versatile bikes have gone up in line with the increased cost of owning a car. Sports bike sales on the other hand will have dropped as people have less recreational money.
Though there is some argument for having a litre bike n the road, the truth is that no one is going to go any quicker or have any more fun on this years litre bike than they would have done on a 3 year old one, so why blow the extra cash? It's not like there is any shortage of low mileage dry weather only running bikes out there.

[jjdugen]

I'm in Manchester. Its a desert when it comes to motorcycle dealers. Pre 1998 we had a healthy dealership presence, all main brands catered for, lots of stuff to browse on a Saturday afternoon. Then, along came City Motorcycles. They basically bought up all the local dealers, closed them and we were left with their chrome palace in Stretford. They lasted roughly four years, went broke and left us with little or no dealer chain.
But, then came fast internet and E-Bay, you can get ANYTHING you want from there. You want to check out a certain model, you go to a show, sit and prod, then go on-line. Its the only sensible business model thats left.
Servicing and repair seems to be devolving to people like me, a little backyard workshop, no overheads, reasonable costs and I am entirely accountable, not some faceless YTS trainee hiding behind a workshop manager.
By the Bye, no-one has factored in the 'classic' market. That thrives, very nicely thank you.
The whole market place in in flux, the old business models are not relevant anymore, we live in interesting times.
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[c-m]

Norwich is tiny compared to Manchester, yet for our 100k population we have, Yamaha, Triumph, Kawasaki/Ducati, KTM/MV, Honda/Suzuki, BMW, Harely Davidson, Piaggio, plus 3 Honda dealers all within half an hour.

That doesn't include a large number of 2nd hand bike dealers too - Weatherleys, Value Bike, Superbikes etc..

It's not looking too bad here.
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