Restriction Confusion

[vertabrate]

Hey, I have recently decided that in May (when I'm finally 17) I'm going to go get my full license (I hope). I'm just confused about the restriction after I get my license. I know it has to be restricted to 33BHP but is there also other restrictions such as engine size? Thanks for help

[J.M.]

You have a power to weight ratio that you must adhere to, but there is no restriction on engine size.

You could ride a 1300cc bike the day you pass your test so long as it conformed with this power to weight ratio.

The restriction is 33BHP (25kw) and I think the power to weight ratio is 0.16kW per kg.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Just has to be under 25kW (which is roughly 33hp) and there is a power to weight ratio limit as well.

No limit on capacity. You could have a 25kW 'busa legally.

All the best

Keith
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[andyeden]

hi all
i have just bought a gs500e 95 model and is restricted to 33bhp
i am 33 yrs old and i have been told i can just take a 125 cc test and im still legal to ride this bike on that as long as i retake the test after two years is this right

[P.addy]

Might not be able to have a Busa, power to weight of 0.16kW per kilo limit or something silly?

Might be OK once down to 33hp, but I think my GSXR just scrapes by?

Scrap that, just looked up specs. With a 2001 Busa at 175hp and 215kg its 0.8~
With it at 33hp, which will be absolutely fucking stupid it comes out at 0.1534 so just under.

Christ, can't imagine how bad that would be

[Kickstart]

Hi

More complicated than that.

You can do a test to get a "full" licence in 3 different ways.

Light motorcycle test - you can do this on a bike of under 120cc and it gives you a full licence for bikes up to 125cc / 11kW, but nothing for anything bigger than that.

Restricted licence test - done on a bike of between 120 and 125cc (also min top speed). This gives you a licence for a bike of up to 25kW. After 2 years the 25kW limit is removed, so you have a licence for a bike any amount of power.

Direct access - test done on a large bike (from memory has to be done on a bike of at least 35kW). You can only do this test is you are 21 or more. This gives you a licence for any capacity / power bike.

There is also direct access. This is a test to upgrade a restriced licence to a full licence. Normally for people who have taken the restricted licence test and reach 21 before the 2 year wait is up.

All the best

Keith
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[P.addy]

My apologies, its appears nitromors in the house is bad for your brain

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[Teflon-Mike]

At 17 you can obtain a provisional licence with motorcycle entitlement.

You MUST complete a course of Compulsary Basic Training - CBT and obtain certificate of completion to 'validate' the PROVISIONAL entitlement of your provisional licence.

The CBT Certificate has a two year validity, and allows you to ride a 'Learner Legal' motorcycle up to 125cc and 14.5bhp, on L-Plates, without supervision, provided you do not carry a pillion passenger or use motorways.

If you elect to take the motorcycle tests under 'Standard Bike' rules; you must use a bike between 120 & 125cc, capable of 62mph and no more than 14.5bhp.

Passing tests under 'standard bike rules' currently is awarded with a full A-Group motorcycle entitlement, with two year probationary power limit at 33bhp.

You may ride any motorcycle of any capacity you like, but you must ensure that it makes no more than 33bhp, either by design or after market 'restriction'.

Upon expiry of the 2 year restriction, you may ride any bike, of any power. You do not need to take any further tests. (under CURRENT licencing rules!)

If you are over 21 the rules are exactly the same. on the provisional entitlement offered by either a provisional licence or full car licence, you may, on completion of a CBT course and gaining the certificate ride a 125cc/14.5bhp machine on L-Plates for the validity of the CBT Cert.

YOU MAY NOT ride a 33bhp motorcycle, or any other over 125cc or 14.5bhp on L-Plates, WITHOUT the radio-supervision of a qualified, card carrying DAS instructor.

The only rules that are different are that under the Direct Access Scheme (DAS) you MAY ride ANY power/capacity of bike, if under radio supervision of a qualified instructor. AND you may elect to test under the 'DAS' or 'Big-Bike' rules that allow, IF you are over 21 years old to test on a machine OVER 33bhp, and be awarded a full A-Group licence without restriction.

As from January 2013, this is all set to change, under 3rd Directive Legislation. Hence stressing 'Currently'.
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[vertabrate]

Still confused by all the different answers. So at the moment I have my CBT, when I become 17 I take my theory and practical and once I have both mod one and two I can then go along to ride any bike with the 33BHP and 16KW/KG? So after I complete mod two I would be okay to ride a 250cc if it complies with the restrictions? Cheers guys

[GrumpyGuts]

Essentially, yes. If it is 33BHP or LESS, then you can ride it, providing you pass your mod 2 practical. You can get a 400cc bike that is around 50 bhp and restrict it, however insurance companies are twats.

[Rogerborg]

Yes, pass on a 125 and you'll get an "A <= 25k" license. You can ride anything that generates 25kW or less (and not more than .16kW/kg although that's probably less likely to be an issue).

That means most 250s, Bros 400, many offroad stylees up to 400cc (but watch the power-to-weight on them), or any bigger or more powerful bike, so long as it's restricted to 25kW.

The means of restriction doesn't matter, all that the law requires is that at the time when you're stopped that it not be generating more than 25kW.

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[bhinso]

definitely worth getting it out the way. do you have a 50cc on the road by the way, that will help a lot i think with the basic road knowledge (especially if it's geared)

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