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PostPosted: 13:12 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Black visors Reply with quote

I just got my self my first full face helmet and i just ordered a black visor for it, I know they are illegal to use and even when i went to order the visor it said ''For track use only'' So i know they are illegal

but what are the consequences for being pulled ? ive seen so many bikers with black visors so must not be that big of a deal and for 95% of the time i was using tinted goggles on my MX helmet never once got pulled for it. Its seem to me to be a part of the law that just swoops over there heads.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't seem to mind as long as its during the day, but if you get pulled at night they will expect you to change it to a non tinted one.. so carry your clear one with you in a tank bag/backpack
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might not get pulled for it, but if you get pulled for something it's another charge they can slap on it. Plus now you've spoke about it you'll get pulled for it. Sods law.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wear it during daylight hours you will be fine. MET police use them - that's good enough for me.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive ridden past countless police during the day, they don't care at all.

During the night you'd be an idiot to wear it anyway. Anyone wearing a full tint riding at night can't possibly see where they're going, at least not well enough to see bloody pedestrians wondering out in to the road!
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was another thread similar to this where someone told me that wearing sunglasses behind a clear visor is also illegal. Can personally vouch that I've never been pulled for doing that, despite overtaking, filtering past and following police cars.

I've even put them on waiting at the traffic lights before. I knew I had exactly 14 seconds from when the other light went red to get them on, from my zipped up pocket. I managed it. Just. Cool
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be mainly used for sunny days when the sun is out, but ive been out at night with my tinted goggles cant see a damn thing
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My black visor came out of hibernation this morning.
Had black visors for about 20 years never been pulled for one.
Nearly got done wearing a Simpson once but thats all
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
There was another thread similar to this where someone told me that wearing sunglasses behind a clear visor is also illegal. Can personally vouch that I've never been pulled for doing that, despite overtaking, filtering past and following police cars.

I've even put them on waiting at the traffic lights before. I knew I had exactly 14 seconds from when the other light went red to get them on, from my zipped up pocket. I managed it. Just. Cool


They were wrong.

Sunglasses are perfectly legal, strangely goggles have to be kite marked and so have a max tint just like visors.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
Nearly got done wearing a Simpson once but thats all


Simpson's are not illegal:

legislation.gov wrote:
(ii)is of a type manufactured for use by persons on motor cycles which by virtue of its shape, material and construction could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a type prescribed by regulation 5;


You could even make your own if you could show a certain level of competency in design and construction.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride with a lot of people that have tinted / iridium visors. None of them have been pulled for it, so I really dont think that the police care... its like having a sun-visor in your helmet (which a lot of them do these days)... they're fine as long as you only use it during the daytime.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Sunglasses are perfectly legal, strangely goggles have to be kite marked and so have a max tint just like visors.


Probably correct, but I wouldn't be 100% convinced which way Magistrate McHangem would go if poorly instructed on the definition of "eye protector". Curiously, wearing glasses marked as impact resistant but without an appropriate BS/E mark might actually weaken your case.

However, in practice, I would be confident that there's essentially no chance of the CPS prosecuting a visor / eyewear "offence", given their current budget. Just don't do anything daft like admit to it or accept a FPN.

I may even be considering a dark visor myself, because I'm so b-b-b-ad to the b-b-bone. Dance! Wink
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

troy1234 wrote:


During the night you'd be an idiot to wear it anyway. Anyone wearing a full tint riding at night can't possibly see where they're going, at least not well enough to see bloody pedestrians wondering out in to the road!


True!

My silver visor was light tinted, but was still deeper than my Internal Sun visor... Soon as the sun sets I gotta change it over else I'll not be able to see after about 15 mins, without riding with my visor up haha..

New visor I got today seems to be tinted on the inside aswell, must be the coating over the top which makes it tinted, as my silver one was scratched on Sunday and the daylight shines thru the scratches fine..

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PostPosted: 16:20 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson's are not illegal:

They were illigal, some are road leagal now.

They are Snell tested
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its actually safer to wear a tinted visor on really sunny days, nothing more annoying than having the sun in your face & not being able to see brake lights in front.
Been past countless coppers & theyve never even given a 2nd look. Always switch to my clear visor at night, or if i think ill be riding back in the dark.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:


They were wrong.

Sunglasses are perfectly legal, strangely goggles have to be kite marked and so have a max tint just like visors.


Correct on the first point Thumbs Up Sunglasses are perfectly legal as they are not covered under the regulations relating to visors and goggles.

However, they are not the safest thing to wear as I have dealt with numerous crashes where unsurprisingly the sunglasses have caused extensive damage to eyes and face, and in a few cases where the arms of the sunglasses have snapped off and entered the skull via the nasal cavity and entered the brain causing a substantial brain injury.

On top of that, if a helmet fits properly, sunglasses can cause pressure on the side of the head as they get squashed between the helmet and head, which can cause extreme headaches and discomfort therefore a loss in concentration.

So on that basis, I am a big believer that the dark visor in bright weather is the safest if not the legal option, hence why I choose the black visor option.

In respect of goggles, this is one of the annomalies. BSI approved goggles can have an 85% tint (the same as a black visor) quite legally, whereas a visor is only allowed a 50% tint to be legal.

We used this argument when we were trying to get black visors legalised, and whilst we lost the argument overall on the visors (all because the Pedestrian Association were consulted and they felt it was nothing more than pose value Mad and so David Jamieson the then Transport minister through it all out) the legislation regarding visors remained in place as they were.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:


They are not the safest thing to wear as I have dealt with numerous crashes where unsurprisingly the sunglasses have caused extensive damage to eyes and face, and in a few cases where the arms of the sunglasses have snapped off and entered the skull via the nasal cavity and entered the brain causing a substantial brain injury.

On top of that, if a helmet fits properly, sunglasses can cause pressure on the side of the head as they get squashed between the helmet and head, which can cause extreme headaches and discomfort therefore a loss in concentration.


I have to wear prescription glasses all the time, seems I am doomed if I ever have an off! Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:50 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
My black visor came out of hibernation this morning.
Had black visors for about 20 years never been pulled for one.
Nearly got done wearing a Simpson once but thats all


I got busted by Chesire police on the A34 near Congleton in 1993 for riding without a helmet...........I was actually wearing a Simpson Bandit with black visor. (as the bandit was not BSI/ACU kitemarked, it was not legal to ride whilst wearing it, so the only charge applicable at the time was not wearing an approved helmet).
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EDIT: My Bandit is Snell stamped, so in 1993 it was illegal to use on UK roads - probably still is.......hmmmmmmm, think i might get it out the loft now summer is on its way!
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stonefly wrote:
I got busted by Chesire police on the A34 near Congleton in 1993 for riding without a helmet...........I was actually wearing a Simpson Bandit with black visor. (as the bandit was not BSI/ACU kitemarked, it was not legal to ride whilst wearing it, so the only charge applicable at the time was not wearing an approved helmet).


So, were you charged? daemonoid called it correctly, that'd be worth a "see you in court then", and watch the CPS fold like a nun bluffing on a pair of twos.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
So, were you charged? daemonoid called it correctly, that'd be worth a "see you in court then", and watch the CPS fold like a nun bluffing on a pair of twos.


'93 he was pulled, that act was '98 not sure on the earlier legislation. Sucks though - clearly a technicality rather than spirit of the law.
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PostPosted: 01:57 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stonefly wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:
My black visor came out of hibernation this morning.
Had black visors for about 20 years never been pulled for one.
Nearly got done wearing a Simpson once but thats all


I got busted by Chesire police on the A34 near Congleton in 1993 for riding without a helmet...........I was actually wearing a Simpson Bandit with black visor. (as the bandit was not BSI/ACU kitemarked, it was not legal to ride whilst wearing it, so the only charge applicable at the time was not wearing an approved helmet).
Happy Days!!! Confused


EDIT: My Bandit is Snell stamped, so in 1993 it was illegal to use on UK roads - probably still is.......hmmmmmmm, think i might get it out the loft now summer is on its way!


this just reminded me of a time last year i got up after a nigtht out clearly still far to pissed to ride cause i got to the end of my street and realised i hadnt put my helmet on Embarassed Shocked needless to say i put my bike back in and walked shop
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PostPosted: 03:05 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experience, the Police will only mind if you are riding with an obviously illegal visor at 10pm at night when it is pitch black and really you shouldn't be doing that anyway as it really does hinder your vision.

My tinted/black visors on my race helmet were fantastic in the day but awful at night, so I just made an effort to swap to a clear visor if it was dark OR if I knew I'd likely have to ride in the dark whilst I was out.

Beware, if you have a crash at night with a tinted and illegal visor on, the Police will not be happy about it. I know that from experience and this was at 3/4pm in the day. If you did the same at night they'd probably want to talk to you about it! Laughing!

Interestingly enough, if you have a clear visor on your helmet, you can wear sunglasses that are as tinted as you want and as far as I know it's legal to do so.

TL;DR: Just wear one. Don't use it at night, swap to a clear visor instead for your own safety, as well as others and the law and you should be fine.

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PostPosted: 11:48 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had any issue with mine, had it for over a year now, was pulled once in that time and it was never mentioned.

I think it's a luck of the draw thing, all depends on the copper. Taking the chance is a personal choice, but it'd have to be a VERY picky copper to actually do you for it, probably just get told to change it at worst. Like I say, never had an issue with mine.

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