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PostPosted: 14:59 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Just £2 per Month Reply with quote

Just watching an advert for save the children.

One child dies every 4 seconds, but as the population is going up, just how many children are being born and knowing that your child is likely to die in pain, is that not child abuse too?

Another point being that fo just £2 a month I could feed, clothe, give medical treatment and build a new school. So why does it cost me so bloody much?

I know it is all relative, but it just cheeses me off putting western post industrial revolution ideals on to a place that hasn't evolved for the last 6,000 years in real terms other than knowing that there are others with flying machines and mobile devices they can talk on.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that we would struggle with another child, so we're not having anymore. Simple, innit.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know that we would struggle with another child, so we're not having anymore. Simple, innit.

so just tell every person in africa they cant have kids Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop um being born, right to live, not to breed.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

condoms for africa!

now we're having a drought I bet none of them send us £2 per month
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Just £2 per Month Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
One child dies every 4 seconds, but as the population is going up, just how many children are being born and knowing that your child is likely to die in pain, is that not child abuse too?


I'm not a big fan of the shock tactics used in these type of adverts (I don't donate to these charities either), but often that's not really the decision that people make in third world countries.

In countries where child labour is rampant and infant mortality is high, people often have to have kids just to get by (the kids work to feed and clothe the whole family). It's about incentives - we see the same in Britain with the whole 'have kids to get a council house' thing. Morals come after basic needs.

They also suffer from ridiculously low levels of education. Even countries we think of as 'modern' like South Africa have guys like Jacob Zuma who seem to think having sex with virgins can cure AIDS.

I'm all for personal responsibility but you have to give people a platform to launch themselves from first. Look at feral children for an example - stick a rich Western family's newborn in the woods, presume it lives to adulthood, and then tell me it had the 'chance' to be a rocket scientist, if only it worked hard enough.

There's a reason fertility goes down with education.
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I know that we would struggle with another child, so we're not having anymore. Simple, innit.

Because for people like me and you, that is true. For some it's not, or if it is they don't understand.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For people to live well, others seem to have to live poorly, at least that's the impression I get. We are a pretty screwed up race where your fortune in life is based purely on a lottery at birth.

Edgey explains it far more eloquently then me but it is my understanding that our society is based on the exploitation of countries such as Africa. And as long as we are bound by the present model, i.e. wealth, greed, status, power and all the other seemingly important shite, then things like this will always be present.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
For people to live well, others seem to have to live poorly, at least that's the impression I get. We are a pretty screwed up race where your fortune in life is based purely on a lottery at birth.

Edgey explains it far more eloquently then me but it is my understanding that our society is based on the exploitation of countries such as Africa. And as long as we are bound by the present model, i.e. wealth, greed, status, power and all the other seemingly important shite, then things like this will always be present.


Exactly the way I see it.

It's a shame, but it's how our society functions.

People complain about the higher orders (politicians, bankers, whatever you care to name) 'exploiting' the common man, and completely ignore the fact that we do exactly the same to those below us (the easy example is the Chinese factory worker, but there are far more available).

Not saying I'd do anything to change it, or that I'd have any idea how to improve the world, but I think it's good to accept that on some level we are all sociopaths, some just don't realise it.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd pay £2 a month to get adverts off my screen.



Nah, I still probably wouldn't.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
I'd pay £2 a month to get adverts off my screen.



Nah, I still probably wouldn't.


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PostPosted: 17:13 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing puts me off my KFC bargain bucket more than images of a starving kid with flies on his face.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nothing puts me off my KFC bargain bucket more than images of a starving kid with flies on his face.


I shouldn't..............

but I did Laughing



























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PostPosted: 18:36 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chalk another great moment for the catholic church.

was fine til they went over there and told them all using condoms was a sin.

another pov too is they seem to think that children dying is just the chance they take so if they have 8+ a few might survive long enough to help out on the farm. dont really understand 2 healthy kids are better than 5 sickly ones.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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another pov too is they seem to think that children dying is just the chance they take so if they have 8+ a few might survive long enough to help out on the farm. dont really understand 2 healthy kids are better than 5 sickly ones.


5 children working on the farm will get more than 2 children working on the farm.
Why would you assume more children = more sick children?

It's true in Britain because here, kids don't work.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Just £2 per Month Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
One child dies every 4 seconds, but as the population is going up, just how many children are being born and knowing that your child is likely to die in pain, is that not child abuse too?


This is the part i've never understood! I sure as hell wouldn't want to bring kids up knowing what they'll go through.

and just how much do those advertisement slots cost? Do the TV channels give them £2 a month off the cost?
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5 children working on the farm will get more than 2 children working on the farm.
Why would you assume more children = more sick children?

It's true in Britain because here, kids don't work.


rather missed the point there didnt you.

i didnt say more children = more sick children although the thinner the resources the more likely that outcome will be..

.. i said 5 sick children are less help than 2 healthy ones.

as said, and seemingly ignored, earlier.. they'll keep spitting out kids so they'll have family able to work on the farms/get water etc.. knowing that most wont see past 2 years old. they'll just keep doing it and hope a couple are strong enough and dont get some disease, to live into usefulness.

my example is that it makes more sense to me to have perhaps a couple of kids and give them the care/food to raise them well rather than stretching your resources across 5+ and just hoping they dont all die.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not true the poorest countries have the highest birth rate?

That and india, they're like rabbits Thumbs Up

your £2 a month could buy this poor chief executive his second jet, the poor guy could only afford one this year Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.. i said 5 sick children are less help than 2 healthy ones.


Well, that's obvious.

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i didnt say more children = more sick children although the thinner the resources the more likely that outcome will be..


Sure, but you're assuming that more children = thinner resources.

Mum stays at home and looks after the babies/newborns. The older kids go out to work. Babies eat tiny amounts of food so the only 'resource' to worry about is whether or not mum has time for everyone.

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my example is that it makes more sense to me to have perhaps a couple of kids and give them the care/food to raise them well rather than stretching your resources across 5+ and just hoping they dont all die.


What's better, 3 kids working to feed a family of 6, or 5 kids working to feed a family of 8?

Also, even if we take the premise less children = easier to care for = more efficient - what happens if one dies due to disease anyway? Now you have a tiny family.

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Is it not true the poorest countries have the highest birth rate?


Yes, because the richer a country gets, the more 'Westernised' it becomes, child labour starts to be outlawed, people tend to want shiny gizmos and careers instead of families, etc.

Even within countries there is a correlation between education and birth rate. The more educated a person is, the less children they are likely to have.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
The more educated a person is, the less children they are likely to have.

Seems legit
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Doug Stanhope says, ‘There’s no money in cunt cancer’
Doesn’t look so flashy on a tee shirt does it, that’s not what people want to jog for.

Saving brown kids it’s quite fashionable, everyone over here, over spending and over eating, likes to think they’re doing something. We’ve always increased the numbers of African people by saving thousands of them, thousands turn into millions and we’ve basically achieved indirect genocide.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
chalk another great moment for the catholic church.

was fine til they went over there and told them all using condoms was a sin.



and islam, 11 children is recommended
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chalk another great moment for the catholic church.

was fine til they went over there and told them all using condoms was a sin.

This x1million
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Doesn’t look so flashy on a tee shirt does it, that’s not what people want to jog for.


How about this?
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