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Maybe a secondhand CBR250? the new style one not the superior rev to moon IL4 CBR250.
Kawasaki Ninja 250R?
Is MPG important? Do you want an easy relaxing ride to work, or something fun and engaging that demands more rider involvement, or do you want a quiet, efficiant bike with decent service intervals, and cheap running costs in terms of tyres, insurance, parts and service costs etc?
I'm dying to say buy a Yamaha TDR250 if your commute was back roads, towns, and the odd bit of ring road/ A-road etc. I've got a bit of a thing for wanting one of these now, but i would not suggest it as possibly your best option for what your looking for in a bike. How much fucking fun would one be though!!!  |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | Maybe a secondhand CBR250? the new style one not the superior rev to moon IL4 CBR250.
Kawasaki Ninja 250R?
Is MPG important? Do you want an easy relaxing ride to work, or something fun and engaging that demands more rider involvement, or do you want a quiet, efficiant bike with decent service intervals, and cheap running costs in terms of tyres, insurance, parts and service costs etc?
I'm dying to say buy a Yamaha TDR250 if your commute was back roads, towns, and the odd bit of ring road/ A-road etc. I've got a bit of a thing for wanting one of these now, but i would not suggest it as possibly your best option for what your looking for in a bike. How much fucking fun would one be though!!!  |
the cbr and ninja is the sort of bike i want for looks yes it just depends how low they are, cause im 6.3 and a very bad wrist, i cant have pressure on it. MPG isnt that important, and i want something that moves and sounds decent. yes i know its only a 250 before you say it but its all i can ride at the moment  |
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The Ninja is pretty small, you may be cramped on it.
On which side do you have Tossers Sprain? If it's right, have you tried a "cramp buster"? I love mine.
What was wrong with your Hyosung, and have you completely discounted the GT250(R)?
And finally, if you don't care about MPG, why limit your search to the small pool of 250s? Go to a 500 (restricted, I assume) and you'll get way more choice, likely get a cheaper bike, and running costs will only be marginally more while ridden at the same speed. Insurance may even be less, my GPZ was a £0 cost swap for a 125. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I have a Hyosung GT 250r and so far I have to say it aint half bad
fuel comsumpsion does`nt seem to bad,
not the fastest bike in the world but not as slow as many would have you believe,
A good size for a 250 (I`m big),
No handling issues,
The seat could do with a bit more padding, but then most of my trips on mine are long distance,
Dont compare a new 250 four-stroke with a 70`s - 80`s - 90`s stroker as there is no comparison. ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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Restriction kits do not affect the price of insurance, well not with most companies anyway.
I got the GT250R when I passed my test, and to be honest it was great, felt quick compared to my 50, same frame as the 650 version so nice and roomy/comfortable. Insurance was very cheap on it as well. Also never had a problem with it, despite what everyone who's never owned a hyosung say about them I can't fault that bike at all. Also knew a few people who owned ninja 250's, slightly quicker but not as comfortable.
After that I moved on to an '88 Honda VFR400, great bike, really fun to ride, but I was hasty buying it as it turned out to have more problems than the seller let on. So if you go for one of the older 400's, just make sure you check the bike over thoroughly as some of them have had the shit kicked out of them. Insurance here was almost £800, twice what it was for the GT250.
Then I discovered that I could get a restricted ZX-6R insured for £50 less than the 400 was costing me! This in my opinion is a good move as you get the experience of riding a bigger, heavier bike, but don't have the power to throw yourself through a motorway sign at 1000mph. Also it means that as soon as your restriction is up you can just remove the restrictors and be on a 600 just like that, with no hassle of selling your smaller bike and buying a new one, and bearing in mind your smaller bike will have had another 2 years of depreciation, it will probably be cheaper that way.
I had my ZXR written off by an old woman pulling out on me and so moved on to a gixxer 750 anyway, but I think I would have kept the ZXR if that hadnt happened and just taken the kit out
Hope this is helpful! ____________________ 2000 Gixxer 750
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Yup, restriction means slapping a couple of washers in the inlets (get 38 - 42mm washers, whatever fits, drill 20mm holes in 'em, call it a day or get it dyno'd),
Any insurer who tries to increase the premium because the bike is making less power is an effing retard - go with a proper bike insurer instead.
Or consider just not disclosing it. Is it a material fact? Personally, I think not - if anything, it's reducing their risk.
I once thought as you, but having ridden (essentially) a 25kW "250" for a year then stepping up to a 500, I'd suggest going straight for a (restricted) 500 just because they're easier to ride. They really are more stable, we're not just saying it for a wind up.
Thinking about it, your Hyosung uses a copy of the GS500 frame, so you're already used to the size. Going to any 250 (other than the GT250(R)) would be a step back down. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Yup, restriction means slapping a couple of washers in the inlets (get 38 - 42mm washers, whatever fits, drill 20mm holes in 'em, call it a day or get it dyno'd),
Any insurer who tries to increase the premium because the bike is making less power is an effing retard - go with a proper bike insurer instead.
Or consider just not disclosing it. Is it a material fact? Personally, I think not - if anything, it's reducing their risk.
I once thought as you, but having ridden (essentially) a 25kW "250" for a year then stepping up to a 500, I'd suggest going straight for a (restricted) 500 just because they're easier to ride. They really are more stable, we're not just saying it for a wind up.
Thinking about it, your Hyosung uses a copy of the GS500 frame, so you're already used to the size. Going to any 250 (other than the GT250(R)) would be a step back down. |
ill possibly end up with a 500/600, but ill have to pay someone to restrict it as i know fuck all and dont fancy killing the bike  |
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| carb0n wrote: | ill possibly end up with a 500/600, but ill have to pay someone to restrict it as i know fuck all  and dont fancy killing the bike  |
There's a few ways, but all you're doing is limiting the amount of air and fuel that the cylinders can pull in.
That can be done by putting washers into the inlets (after the carbs), or by fettling up a throttle stop that does what it says - just stops the throttle opening fully.
You can pay upwards of £200 for an "FI International" kit to be fitted to your bike and a shiny and utterly worthless certificate to be issued if you're a mug, or you can buy some pre-made washers off of the intartubes for tens of pounds, or you can just make your own up.
What I'd suggest as a compromise is finding your local bike tuning place with a dyno and asking them for advice. They should be able to slap something in and give you a dyno printout which proves exactly as much as the FI certificate does, i.e. nothing except that someone probably thinks that your bike probably produced no more than a probable 25kW at some point in the past.
Of course, you could have ripped the restrictors out the second that dyno run was completed, it's all a bit silly.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| carb0n wrote: | do you think its possible for someone to fit a restriction kit, who has never touched any type of mechanics before? im just worried i will break the bike in some way :'( |
Possible, yes.
Enjoyable, probably not. You'd be looking at taking off the tank, airbox and carbs (or carbs and rubbers) which depending how you look at is "Eh, just some lefty-loosey then righty-tighty" or "ZOMFG voodoo witchcraft!"
That's unless you can find (or make) a throttle stop solution instead, which would be even simpler: just bolting something on somewhere to stop the throttle grip or cable or lever completing its full travel. That'd be entirely down to the bike though.
Really, give your local tuning/dyno place a call, it won't be the first time they've been asked. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 239 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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