Cracked oil sump

[Nick 50]

In my battle at destroying the bike ever so slowly, I have went and cracked the sump by tightening the drain bolt too much.

It has cracked up the small cylinder where the bolt goes in. The crack is about 1/2 inch long, but long enough where oil is now dripping out.

Sooooo, can I use a glue (like Araldite) to fix it? Or do I need a new sump?

If a new sump, does anyone ideas if other models of CBR600F sumps will fit?
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[flumpy7]

[MG]

Friend of mine did this and tried a repair with quiksteel. It didn't hold so he replaced the sump. You can get it welded as a permanent fix too.

It's one of those things you don't want to risk because if there's no oil, you've got no bike
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[Walloper]

If you get it dry with no oil in it. Pour some petrol in and rinse it out.
Use brake cleaner or petrol to clean around the cracked area. Clean the plug the same way.
Fit the plug but do not batter it up dead tight.
Slabber the araldite Metal around the plug and the area of the crack.
Let it set and put another layer on. If you have some fibreglass matting for bodywork that would help too.
This is not a permanent fix and you should be looking for a new sump.
Welding is difficult as you will always have the damage where the plug thread is that may weep.

Fill the sump with the correct oil.
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[Pete.]

If you ground a prep in the sump, welded it, then files the plug sealing face flat it wouldn't matter that the crack was across the threads because it doesn't seal there anyway. Only problem is you risk wrecking the thread with the welding.
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[Casper]

Ask MrDunkable. He fucked his and im sure he got one from another model.

[Drake]

just get it welded with the bolt in, then take bolt out, run a tap down it then clean it up
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[Chalky.]

Get Warped to weld it. Heard he's pretty handy?

[Nick 50]

Well the Araldite failed miserably.

Out of interest does anyone have an idea how much it would cost to get it TIG welded? The crack is about 1 inch long.
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Previous Bikes: Aprilia Tuono 03 (The Beast), CBR600f (97)
First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......

[Walloper]

[Nick 50]

I might give petro patch a try.

I gave it as good as a clean as I could using paraffin, white spirit and then water and thoroughly dried it.

I think the issue is the crack is so small at the top it was hard to get the Araldite into it. I put some on the outside of the drain but it wasn't sticking to it very well.

On the other hand it might be the washer needs replacing, which I have ordered a new one.
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Previous Bikes: Aprilia Tuono 03 (The Beast), CBR600f (97)
First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......

[bikenut]

hi dude,

did you read the thread about torque wrenches............

[Rogerborg]

[chris-red]

Just buy a new sump there is one for £20 on ebay.
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[fatjames]

Just an idea. After using Araldite / petro patch, why not replace the original washer with one wide enough to cover the crack, and sandwich the glue in?

FJ

[fatjames]

or..

[Nick 50]

The problem with buying another sump is finding the right one. Have looked on e-bay but none are the right ones. Only the FV/FW models have the same sump.

I can source a new one but they are £145 .
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First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......

[Noxious89123]

[woodie]

Hi

i did this on a customers BMW as they has alloy sumps ..

i used QUICKSTEEL..

i emptyed the sump and cleaned it out..

then done up the bolt so the crack was open slightly i squashed the steel in then un done plug quick before the steel set i then wire brushed around the crack and put a load more around left for 30 mins to set ....and was fine....

i used quick steel to reaplace a chunk missing out of a head on a 306 and is still running now

[MG]

[Nick 50]

Just picked up some Quicksteel and i'm currently trying that.

The Araldite must have had some effect. Fitted new washer and drain bolt and it only dripped out 50ml over night, so is a lot better.

Gave it all a good clean and used some emery cloth to scruff up the area.

The quicksteel putty felt much better straight from them off, so fingers crossed.......
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Previous Bikes: Aprilia Tuono 03 (The Beast), CBR600f (97)
First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......

[woodie]

mikeyg .....It ws a temp fix till we sourced another sump from a scrappy im a prof and we run a very well known garage and we do anything for our customers to keep them mobile ....

and if i was in any doubt that it would leak id of not let the car leave the garage....

nick good luck mate... let us know how you get on

[Walloper]

[Nick 50]

Well applying quicksteel didn't fix it, just slowed the trickle right down

So lay on the garage floor (I need a lift I reckon) thinking, i'm gonna have to take it off. The only other bike I had semi took apart was my GZ, so this was a whole new level.

Took all the bolts out of the sump, bit fiddly but they all come out a breeze. I was hoping I could slide the sump out with out taking the exhaust off. Errrrr no........

Look at the exhaust bolts (oh oh) 4 are long hex nuts and weren't rusty at all. Again fiddly, but come off quite easily. The 2 in the middle were normal bolts and looked pretty rusty. Have read quite a few threads on BCF about studs snapping etc etc so was a bit wary.
Sprayed plenty of penetrating fluid, went home had a coffee and went back round (bikes in garage about 100 yards away). These were extremely bloody fiddly to get to without taking the radiator off, but waheyyyy got them off. One stuck to the stud and the stud came out but nothing snapped.

So bloody happy I ditched the halfrauds socket set and got a decent one.

Anyway, the sump. The crack has travelled quite far up the inside (will add pic soon). It looks like i'll need to quicksteel the inside to get the bike back on the road.

I have contacted some breakers about keeping an eye out for a replacement, waiting game now.

Now to get the sump in the bath for a good clean and destory more of the mrs new towels (I killed the old ones ).
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Current Bikes: ZX7r 97 (Black Beauty), VFR400 NC24 (The banana)
Previous Bikes: Aprilia Tuono 03 (The Beast), CBR600f (97)
First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......

[Nick 50]

So the offending crack, turns out to be 2 cracks, no wonder it continued to leak.

https://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn6/ElScampio/GEDC0527.jpg
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Current Bikes: ZX7r 97 (Black Beauty), VFR400 NC24 (The banana)
Previous Bikes: Aprilia Tuono 03 (The Beast), CBR600f (97)
First bike: A GZ125 Lemon.......