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PostPosted: 11:39 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Bike clothing - is UK still a rip-off vs Europe? Reply with quote

Following on from this Hein Gericke thread I inadvertently went to the HG German site. It is a German company after all.

So on their main page showing the Essex jacket at 79.95 Euros. That's about £64.28 at current rates. So went to the UK site Essex jacket. That's £79.99.

I'm sure you could argue £15 isn't that much difference. Yet it's still £15 more. It's not like they have to change anything. Plus I admit that's only one example but I'm sure I could find others.

So to me it looks like UK gets charged Euro prices. A bit like US products just changing the $ sign for a £ I think.

Don't you just love being part of one big happy Europe Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have not only the exchange rate to contend with but also the governments criminal import taxes on protective clothing seriously bumps up any items brought over.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunglehaze wrote:
...also the governments criminal import taxes on protective clothing seriously bumps up any items brought over.

Interesting Thinking For some reason I thought protective clothing, as in steel toecap boots etc., were exempt from tax. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

There may be a small difference in VAT but that does not account for a 25% uplift in price.

In general bike clothing is over-priced partly because the volumes are low and the dealers have to stock a wide range of garments and sizes but mainly because we have been trained to pay silly prices. When you see fabric jackets and trousers at anything up to £1000 you have to wonder whether we are being conned.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

oldenuff wrote:
There may be a small difference in VAT but that does not account for a 25% uplift in price.


VAT is 20%, add in shipping costs and logistics and import tax and it's about right.

Nobody bothers making anything in the UK anymore. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

Beez wrote:
import tax


There is no import tax from countries within the EU.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
bunglehaze wrote:
...also the governments criminal import taxes on protective clothing seriously bumps up any items brought over.

Interesting Thinking For some reason I thought protective clothing, as in steel toecap boots etc., were exempt from tax. Confused


Not sure 100% how it stands now, but a couple of years ago when I was bringing in leathers the fees involved made a huge difference to what was previously a good price. I would highly doubt that has changed much over the years.

Perhaps true PPC are exempt?

HJM, I probably didn't mean import tax in the literal sense, rather a blanket phrase for all fees involved in bringing in someone's product from elsewhere. I dont know about European fees specifically
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

HJM wrote:
Beez wrote:
import tax

There is no import tax from countries within the EU.

Bingo. Yes, we get raped on goods imported directly into the UK from outside of Yerp, but there's absolutely nothing stopping us buying from within the the Single Market.

Having got some stuff from France, Germany and Poland recently, all quickly, cheaply and without any hassle, I'd encourage you to look beyond Blighty for deals. Her Brittanic Majesty's Revenue and Customs can whistle for their pound of flesh.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
HJM wrote:

There is no import tax from countries within the EU.

Bingo. Yes, we get raped on goods imported directly into the UK from outside of Yerp, but there's absolutely nothing stopping us buying from within the the Single Market.

Having got some stuff from France, Germany and Poland recently, all quickly, cheaply and without any hassle, I'd encourage you to look beyond Blighty for deals. Her Brittanic Majesty's Revenue and Customs can whistle for their pound of flesh.


Firstly, that is based on a private buyer bringing in to the UK, not sure if that applies to companies as would be the case in the OP where he was asking why things are more expensive.

Secondly, not always the way to go, by sending all our money to Europe you will do nothing but support their failing economy (or to be precise, pay for spain and greece) and stop ours from getting stronger - getting better prices over a long term.

A lot of the time the additional prices to ship items from EU privately outweigh any gains from supporting a local shop - even ebay sellers help to a degree Smile
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Imports from Europe Reply with quote

bunglehaze wrote:
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Oh, I detest what the United States of Europe has become and will happily fiddle while it burns, but I see no particular merit in giving my money to HMRC instead.

The Single Market will only work for us if we use it to drive down prices. If that means that UK businesses go under because of our swingeing import taxes, then so be it, that's how a free market works. The Exchequer will eventually have to decide between levying a reasonable tax on some business, or demanding 1/3 of nothing.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would much rather buy a jacket from the local bike shop than pay 5% less and buy it from French baguette head.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

L-Jam wrote:
I would much rather buy a jacket from the local bike shop than pay 5% less and buy it from French baguette head.


We have a racist. Seriously wtf.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a fair point if you're comparing supporting a local shop where you can physically try on gear, versus buying sight-unseen on the 'tubes.

However, if you go down the latter route, then I can't see the merit in buying from the cheapest UK seller versus one in Elbonia.

Particularly as the cheapest UK seller is likely to be on the fiddle anyway, getting stuff shipped in from Cousin Imran labelled as gifts or massively undervalued - I've had one of those "$5" jackets sent direct to me.
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunglehaze wrote:
map wrote:
...For some reason I thought protective clothing, as in steel toecap boots etc., were exempt from tax. Confused
...Perhaps true PPC are exempt?...

Apparently I was right but also wrong as only boots and helmets are zero rated.
From HM Revenue and Customs Protective equipment HMRC Reference:Notice 701/23 (May 2011) ...
HM revenue wrote:
...
protective boots and helmets for industrial use are zero-rated – see section 2;
motorcycle helmets are zero-rated – see section 3;
pedal cycle helmets are zero-rated – see section 4, and;
children’s car seats and travel systems are reduced-rated at a rate of 5% VAT – see section 5.
...


So on motorcycle helmets.
Schuberth C3 World = 599.99 Euros (£484) DE site or £539.99 UK site

although not always cheaper as in
Nolan N104 is 339.95 Euros (£274) DE site and £249.95 UK site

so I guess shop around for a bargain.
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PostPosted: 06:06 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally in the UK you pay in £ what we pay in euros...that goes for bike gear,cameras and leccy goods.

However, I bought my Weise jacket in the UK, cos it fitted, seemed up to the job and isn't available in Germany.

France used to be even worse for marking up of prices; Blank CDs for example- pack of 50 in Germany = 10euros, same pack in France = 50 euros!!

A lot of it is supply and demand; The UK market is quite small, whereas europe, and specifically Germany is a huge bikers market(although Polo, one of the biggest chains, went into liquidation earlier this year-still trading though).
Have a look at comparison prices on German/UK Ebay for good examples...
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to do with racism Kawakid you twat.

I am simply stating supporting local business i.e. my local bike shop, Bevans, which has been ran by the same family for 70+ years, has always been nice to me and as such I would prefer to hand them my cash, especially in this economic climate.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

L-Jam wrote:
Nothing to do with racism Kawakid you twat.

I am simply stating supporting local business i.e. my local bike shop, Bevans, which has been ran by the same family for 70+ years, has always been nice to me and as such I would prefer to hand them my cash, especially in this economic climate.



He wasn't referring to the buying from the shop part, more the comment about french people Laughing .
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with a bit of inter racial banter is there!

Racist gets bandied around too much these days, and throwing accusations around like that gets my back up that's all.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's best to shop around having worked all over Europe for a period of the three years the prices varied a lot. Weirdly we buy Mach 3 razor blades far cheaper here than in BeNeLux so my colleague in Holland would think nothing of spending about £40 in Superdrug on them Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

L-Jam wrote:
Nothing wrong with a bit of inter racial banter is there!

Racist gets bandied around too much these days, and throwing accusations around like that gets my back up that's all.



https://i.qkme.me/353w9h.jpg

Lol Smile
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

French bagueetee ! --- the height of racism has been reached, whoever called him a racist, i concur with Flyboy, that they be twat. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We live in a single market, I'm not sure why more people don't take advantage of that and buy from the cheapest (best) place (taking into account shipping).

As mentioned there are no additional taxes or import duties within the EU for individuals or business. It wouldn't be a single market otherwise.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Covdude, it means a lot to me.
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