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| leepick wrote: | looking to get the yzf r125 in january. not to sure about the gpr or the aprilia rs4. more than likely be between the rs4 and the yzf r tho |
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You're under 24. You want a quick bike. In fact, rather than a plastic fantastic 125, you really want the big boy version of it, but for some reason you've talked yourself into going for the kiddie version first.
If that's an accurate assessment, then do not spunk all your money on an expensive leany-forwards 125 in 2012. Your top priority must be to pass a test, either A if you're over 21 or A2. If you don't get a license by January 19th 2013 then you'll be nobbled by the 3rd Licensing Directive. Crib notes: this will be bad.
Buy any old cheap and easy to ride 125, YBR, CG, whatever you can get your hands on, and concentrate on passing your tests ASAP. When word gets out about how bad the 3rd Directive is going to be, training and test centres are going to be chocka. Don't be at the tail end of that queue with no money in your pocket.
Of course, you can ignore this if you've got far more money than sense, and can afford to buy a plastic fantastic and get through your tests in plenty of time.
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Well first, post in the right section. This should be in the 'New Bikers' section, NOT the workshop.
Second, they're all shit. They're 125's, what do you want. Get a CG 125, pass your test and then get a REAL bike.
Oh, and spelling and grammar count for a lot. PLEASE structure your posts better so its easier to read!
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get a ybr and the do your test
them r125's sound ghey and go as fast as a ybr,only other guys like bikes remmeber 
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lee pick = cunt nugget
that is all..
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| leepick wrote: | roger an compute bla bla why did u reply to this post u fucking sausages. silly remarks. im on a cbt and ive got lots of money to spend on a fancy looking plastico fantistico bike yeh ya little waste of spunk. |
Right, for starters try some manners you ignorant little twit!
I was about to answer your original post, and point out you are hardly asking a specific question, and yes, its in the wrong place. I'm wondering right now
Becouse as others, MY opinion of 125's in general is they are a utility tool; either to get your tests 'done' on, or simply to get about on cheaper than a bus fare. In either case, asthetics are hardly something worth worrying about; if you want tests; you want easy ride, look after you learner bike, that's cheap and easy to live with, and easy to flog on to fund big bike when you are done; while if you just want cheap wheels; CHEAP is the only thing worth worrying about.
So I'm wondering if I'me merely going to get another tirade of abuse as Rog or computid, for even TRYING to point out the merit of my wisdom......
I'll try anyway.....
Told you purpose of a 125; its a tool; either a training tool to get tests, or rudimentary bus-fare beating ecconomy travel.
The Learner Licence is just that, a LEARNER licence, fact you can ride a 125 unsupervised on the public roads without passing a test is a priovilidge and a 'loop-hole' of legacy legislation, from the days before practical radio supervision was possible..
Yeah, you can exploit it, and RIDE around on an over priced flash fairinged or over chromed tiddler, perpetually repeating CBT's as long as the loophole remains (which may not be much longer TBH, but thats another topic I'll come to in a minute)
Doesn't really matter how asthetically pleasing a 125 may be; slap a ruddy great L-Plate front and back to comply with your licence, rather spoils the 'look'.
You could have a sit up and bag, YBR commuter, an over chromed Honda Shaddow, 'cruiser', a Suzuki DR125 'Off-Roader', or Honda Veradaro 'Adventure Sport', or an Aprillia RS4 plastic fantastic.....
All mimic the style if the 'big-boy-bikes' and some, physically large, pull it off quite well..... until the engine's started and it sounds about as 'meaty' as a half eaten packet of beef flavoured crisps..... and goes about as fast!
And, being brutally honest, any-one looking at you on one, well, few will be all that 'impressed'. Might impress the odd school kid not old enough to have ANY bike, and the occassional person without much knowledge of bikes that thinks it looks quite cool..... BUT any-one that actually KNOWS anything about bikes.... well, they aren't going to be 'fooled' and will know exactly what they are looking at, ESPECIALLY if facts advertised by that ruddy L-Plate.
So; who looks coolest; lad on a £1,500 YBR125, or one on £4K YZF-R125?
Niether, they BOTH look like Learner-Tits.
Only the lad on the YBR, looks like he might have a few good ideas, and has picked a useful little bike, that's easy to ride, and 'sensible' that is more likely to impress an examiner, and has a lot going for it, being cheap to buy, insure and run, and not a huge liability to repair or write off if he dumps it, which as a learner, is inordinately likely, and as like as not, lad might be quite smart, and for the sake of a bit of style, using savings to pay for training & tests, getting out and about and enjoying life, and saving up to put money into a bike that not just looks good, but goes great, when he's got his licence.....
Lad on YZF-R125, looks like a social inadequete, you expect will have a bad case of acne hidden under his hat, who hopes, committing to a three year finance deal on a horendousely expensive motorcycle, that looks like something its not, will make him look good, and increase his social standing.... ie a misguided poser.... as likely to smash bike to bits very early, making it look even more laughable, and leaving him with huge credit agreement to settle, a big repair bill, and no money, to do anything else, like go out, have fun, or heaven forbid, get licence and get big bike... while being laughed at even more by his peers, first for being a bit of a tit, second proving it, buying an R125 to massage his misguided ego, then skuffing up its good looks, and being stuck on skuffed, slow, joke of a bike......
Yeah, they look great in teh show-room.... but sorry, bottom line is that they ARE a joke to ANY-ONE that has ANY idea about bikes.
So, whats the best looking and fastest four stroke 125?
YBR125.... ugly as sin, asthetically, but the numbers that say they are cheap to buy and the fastest way to a full licence to get anything even remotely inspiring makes them one of the most attractive learner bikes on the market.....
THINK about it!
Now, back to that loop-hole of unsupervised riding ahead of passing tests, on L-Plates.
Legacy provision was made so learners could practice while learning to ride, same as car drivers, who have to have a qualified passenger thats not possible when carrying a pillion isn't permitted on a motorcycle provisional..... Its NEVER been there so you can prat about to your hearts content on L-Plates never manning up to taking tests for a full licence.
As from January 2013, barely fourteen months away, we, in the UK have to satisfy European Treaty Legislation, and comply with the Euro-Licence harmonisation laws.
This specifically DENIES unsupervised riding prior to qualification... Ie riding on L's.
Terst requirements significantly call for DAS style training under radio supervision, and its likely that THAT is what will HAVE to happen... we have 'assuranmces' that unsupervised L-Plating MAY be permitted in the UK, but how that can be rationalised against EU Legislation remains to be seen, and cant be relied on.
Meanwhile, "3rd Directive" laws will mean you cant 'test' on a 125 for more than a 125 only licence. You will also have to be over 24 to do DAS to get full unrestricted licence, while the 33bhp 'restricted' licence will be replaced with the A2 licence, which you will have to be 19 to apply for, demand expensive DAS style training (unlikely to be widely available!) & test on a 500, and limit you 'for ever' or at least two years when you might repeat test DAS style on bigger bike for full A group.
Ie its going to get hard, and its going to get expensive to get a licence, in 14 months time......
Might not exactly be easy right now, BUT..... you can currently test on a 'qualifying' 125 and get full A group licence and never have to do it again..... AND do it at 17 years old..... true, may be restricted to 33bhp for two years, but that's a small impediment compared to whats in the pipe line.
Makes that YBR as a cheap, conmvenient route to a full licence and something as stylish as a GPZ500S rather MORE attractive..... or at least in my eyes.
Meanwhile, answer to your question, 'best' learner legal four stroke 125 ever built, is the Honda CB125 'Super-Dream'.... its one of the more powerful, and designed to go head to head on performance against its two stroke rivals, in its day, and succeeded. But, concervatively styled, looks 'smart' (if in tidy condition) if not 'fancy', and has an engine thats silky smooth (if in decent fettle), the best of both worlds with four stroke tractability and mid range, as well as howling two-stroke style power up top, revved to 12,000rpm. Creditable handling, curtecy of sophisticated multi-link suspension, still more advanced than most contemprary 'sports' 125's two stroke or four stroke, great brakes, curtecy of again, more sophisticated tham most, twin pistoin caliper front disc, comfy, curtecy of propper seat and seating possition, that more upright, also provides great around visbility and good machine control..... while lack of fancy or unnecessary plastic or chrome, means theres little adornment to skuff, break, rust or clean!
As far as I'm concerned, it was pretty close to being the 'perfect' learner bike.... but, I suspect, despite being the answer to the question you actually asked, like all else so far, WONG, by dint of not being what you want to hear.....
Well..... ponder a short while...... so much in whats been offered that by your standards is 'wrong'.... what do you think is at odds here?
Is it us, with, between us many, many years experience of bikes and biking, and whats good, bad, or plain daft....
Or the standards you are judging our advice by, based on what you think, 'looks' good?
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TL:DR but i hope he does as he deserves it
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Did you know that the Suzuki GS500, is the same insurance group as your RS125? Has 50% more power, and does twice the MPG?
And after five years on a 125, you shouldn't be bludy looking for another one anyway; if you cant pass a fucking test after all this time, you dont deserve a licence, full or provisional.
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tbh alot of 125cc+ bikes have lower insurance so what you sepnd on your test will save you money, and you can get some sporty lookin commuters like the sv or a hornet or at a push a fazer
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I'd like to change my answer.
The perfect bike for you is an unrestricted RS125 that's 10,000 miles from its last rebuild. Ideally, with a straight through exhaust on it and covered in stickers saying "ALL PIGS <3 BUTTSEX".
Oh, and get yourself a used helmet from eBay. Make sure you don't do the strap up, I totally heard that it can choke you if you crash. :up:https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAzps9kiTjR8JtV4FNhf1_8vsL0QnBs9TS3E_9kCWIWjcgWqrxfLlT5g:up:
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If no one bought new bikes we'd soon run out of second hand ones, even 125s.
Then what would you lot buy?
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| Nexus Icon wrote: | If no one bought new bikes we'd soon run out of second hand ones, even 125s.
Then what would you lot buy? |
Exactly why we shouldn't kill people that want to spend £4K on a 125 one.... just tax them; then folk that insist that they HAVE to have the chrome of an 125 shaddow or the plastic of an R125 will be adding a couple of grand to the exchequer's coffers and maybe, just maybe not be so want to stick an extra penny on fuel or fags when time comes round.
Meanwhile, faced with the 'Silly-Tax', sensible commuters will look a lot more attractive, and those not quite such slaves to looks will buy them, and increase the pool of second hand ones for the rest of us.
After tests, who cares! A fool and thier money are soon parted, and I'm quite happy for folk to spend silly amounts on fancy chrome or plastic, to pootle round on a few sunny sundays and sell at rediculousely discounted prices, as soon as first MOT comes along, barely run in, becouse they are starting to 'look' a bit dated, so I can enjoy the subsidy!
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| Slacker24seven wrote: | 125 sportsbikes, with the notable exceptions of the derestricted 2-strokes like the Mtio, RS125 and NSR are pointless exercises in form over function. |
The exception being, that the razor edged power band & unforgiving handling, can, be a lot of fun, for an expert rider to have a bit of fun on, on public roads, where the limited performance of diddy engine can be taken 'to the max', gaining the satisfaction of getting it right, against the punishment of getting it wrong, without it being too much of a risk to life or licence.....
But still rather pointless bit of form over function, when you could do the same thing, 'for real' in organised club racing, where points mean prizes, not fines......
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you should let them kill themselves,by high stress worrying about 29% APR on an overpriced scoot or by their own sense of godlike immortality when doing 65mph flat out on a bumpy road!
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| Nexus Icon wrote: | If no one bought new bikes we'd soon run out of second hand ones, even 125s. |
True, but is there any merit to having 2nd hand "fast" 4 stroke 125s available?
They're more expensive than the bikes that people need, and far slower than the bikes that they really want, and right now there's no good reason to buy one.
Any argument in favour of buying a "fast" 125 falls foul of the equation that a cheaper "slow" 125 saves you the very modest £121.50 that it costs to get a license, which then gives you access to bikes that offer way more value for money than that "fast" 125 you didn't waste your money on.
Hmmm...
That said, we are now into the time frame where new 125s are going to be sold on to the poor buggers who get caught up by the 3rd Directive and are stuck on them for at least 2 years.
So post 2013, the 125 YZFs and RV4s really are going to be the, uh, best bikes available to yoofs - by which I mean anyone under 24 - so I actually defer to your point.
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