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UnknownStuntm...
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Buying something that's SORN'ed Reply with quote

So, if you purchase a vehicle that's been SORN'ed and you've seen the paperwork to prove it, what's the deal? Do you need to SORN it yourself straight away or tax it, or is there a certain time limit in which you must do something.

I'm thinking of buying a bike that's been laid up for a while and will not necessarily go through an MOT, so I will need to work on it first. Think the last MOT it had was in 2006, so there's a little bit of checking to do.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would SORN it online once you have received the V5 back from the DVLA just to be on the safe side.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you'll need to SORN it again.
As soon as there's a change of keeper, the current SORN is removed.


//edited to add a missing word Wink
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy_uk wrote:
Yes, you'll to SORN it again.
As soon as there's a change of keeper, the current SORN is removed.


/\ this, as soon as you get the V5 back either tax or re-SORN it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As above. A fairly common way of the DVLA scamming people for more money.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:15 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers - is there a grace period? I mean, it could be a couple weeks to get the V5 back, and nobody wants to tax before the beginning of a month...

Has anyone here ever been stung for tax (or had a bribe invited Wink ) when buying something that's been off the road for a while?

Realistically, I think I will tax it within a month, but that does depend on the MOT going through. It's going to be in a lockup, so there's no chance of it being seen by the way.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
It's going to be in a lockup, so there's no chance of it being seen by the way.


Whether 'in view' or not isn't relevant, the database will show a change of owner & no re-tax or re-SORN. So as soon as you get the V5 back from the DVLA then declare it SORN, would be bloody harsh if they tried to give you a fine during the 'change of owner' period (which I'd probably argue successfully against if it happened). for the sake of a form to declare SORN and a stamp it's not worth not doing imo. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think you will be able to do an online SORN declaration using the details on the new keepers slip.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Think you will be able to do an online SORN declaration using the details on the new keepers slip.

So I noted, but then had it pointed out that you need to do it just after the DVLA have processed the change of keeper, and how do you know when that happens?

Unless you keep doing it repeatedly, you only really know when you get the new V5C in.

It's utter tosh that SORN is cancelled on a change of keeper, it means that you're technically a scofflaw the moment it happens, and are relying on an informal grace period that's not written into the legislation.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just said this on another thread but it may be helpful for you to know my partner didn't SORN his bike when it was off the road in a garage and when he got a letter about it from DVLA he replied saying he had sent the SORN declaration in on [date] and as far as he was concerned his end of the deal was done. They can't prove he didn't and by law he doesn't HAVE to prove he did. I'm just trying to dig out where he found that little nugget of info, cos he never heard from them again, it's CERTAINLY worth a try Wink
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
I've just said this on another thread but it may be helpful for you to know my partner didn't SORN his bike when it was off the road in a garage and when he got a letter about it from DVLA he replied saying he had sent the SORN declaration in on [date] and as far as he was concerned his end of the deal was done. They can't prove he didn't and by law he doesn't HAVE to prove he did. I'm just trying to dig out where he found that little nugget of info, cos he never heard from them again, it's CERTAINLY worth a try Wink


That would be the Sickpup case... A BCF member exclusive.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interpretations Act 1978 Section 7, as tried and tested by sickpup in front of the beak, hip hip huzzah.

However, that's not a precedent, and you may come up against a new bunch of DVLA prosecutors who fancy their chances in front of some different magistrates.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
I've just said this on another thread but it may be helpful for you to know my partner didn't SORN his bike when it was off the road in a garage and when he got a letter about it from DVLA he replied saying he had sent the SORN declaration in on [date] and as far as he was concerned his end of the deal was done. They can't prove he didn't and by law he doesn't HAVE to prove he did. I'm just trying to dig out where he found that little nugget of info, cos he never heard from them again, it's CERTAINLY worth a try Wink


Did he send me a thank you note?
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
yaigi wrote:
I've just said this on another thread but it may be helpful for you to know my partner didn't SORN his bike when it was off the road in a garage and when he got a letter about it from DVLA he replied saying he had sent the SORN declaration in on [date] and as far as he was concerned his end of the deal was done. They can't prove he didn't and by law he doesn't HAVE to prove he did. I'm just trying to dig out where he found that little nugget of info, cos he never heard from them again, it's CERTAINLY worth a try Wink


Did he send me a thank you note?


Yeah, he did, did you not get it? Prove he sent it Razz
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Yeah, he did, did you not get it? Prove he sent it Razz


So he didn't then. Wanker.

Incidentally there is a rebuttal so don't try and be clever.

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PostPosted: 14:54 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am trying to declare a SORN on a bike I have just bought right now.

Without the SORN/Tax reminder or the V5C reference number you cannot do it.

The little green slip that is given to you when you buy a bike doesn't have the V5C reference on it so you have to wait until the Main V5 comes back...
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

So he didn't then. Wanker.

Incidentally there is a rebuttal so don't try and be clever.

HTH Thumbs Up


I don't even understand what a rebuttal is Confused
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A rebuttal is something male homosexuals do. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
I don't even understand what a rebuttal is Confused


Why am I not surprised.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
yaigi wrote:
I don't even understand what a rebuttal is Confused


Why am I not surprised.


Cos you seen it all before old timer Razz

I seem to remember my partner mentioning 'rebuttal' and some kind of plan he had for that too, I wasn't listening at the time, I was still holding on tight to the "it's NEVER going to work" opinion I had. Jokes on me now cos that was nearly two years ago and he's not heard anything from them Embarassed
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
Cheers - is there a grace period? I mean, it could be a couple weeks to get the V5 back, and nobody wants to tax before the beginning of a month...

Has anyone here ever been stung for tax (or had a bribe invited Wink ) when buying something that's been off the road for a while?

Realistically, I think I will tax it within a month, but that does depend on the MOT going through. It's going to be in a lockup, so there's no chance of it being seen by the way.


I bought a bike which was "supposedly" SORN'ed when i bought it.

I waited for the V5 to come back and then Sorn'ed it no problem.

They did state that the previous year it hadn't been taxed or sorn'ed and someone from some department would contact me but never did.

It should be fine waiting for the V5 to come back. If in doubt give them a ring.
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