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PostPosted: 13:59 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Bandit waterproofing and running. Reply with quote

Broke down in the rain a month ago, bike not started since...

Then this weekend..

Ok so I sanded parts of the frame where the coils meet it, the spacers in between and the bike fires up fine now. It has new HT leads and is getting a spark on all cylinders.

It idles fine, on choke it sits around 3-3.5k, off choke 1200-1300ish.

When you ride it under load it bogs a little at about 5-6k and you can notice it a little. I thought it may be bad fuel as it stood for 2 years but spotless tank and tank of super ran through now back on standard 95. I did take the carbs off, clean them completely but feel it may still be carb related. Couldn't find any air leaks with WD40 around all carb rubbers, airbox rubbers.

Has all pipes on carb plugged in correctly.

If I was to remove the tank and try to turn the bike over whilst filling the petrol hose with carb cleaner (please recommend something...anything) would this pass carb cleaner through all areas? I have redlined 1st and 2nd to try and force shit through...but unsure if thats the correct procedure Shifty All ideas are welcome!!!! (also...there is a leak between the 4>1 and the link pipe for end can.. could this be the issue?

Also waterproofing, it broke down due to getting wet somewhere.
I have put a small layer of vaseline around the plug covers (they have holes in them by design for some reason!?) and have put some around where the HT leads join to the coils, also the wires that plug into the coils AND the coils mounts to the frame. What else can I do aside from fit a fairing Laughing There is a monumentously large gap between the tank and the frame where I think most water goes into... https://www.motorcyclesupermarket.com/images/bikes/images/10671.1335344523.IMG_1083.jpg

my gap looks quite larger than that...but you can't lower it Laughing Thought about adding some rubber sleeves over the coils, but fearful of overheating.

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PostPosted: 14:12 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Bandit waterproofing and running. Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
...If I was to remove the tank and try to turn the bike over whilst filling the petrol hose with carb cleaner (please recommend something...anything) would this pass carb cleaner through all areas?...

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To clean the carbs with bike in running order best bet is to get some Redex (about £4, maybe cheaper). For a 25 litre tank this'll give you about 4 doses. You can also buy single 'shot' bottles. This dose designed for the larger car tanks so you may not need all the one shot bottle.

I would recommend simple things first so running Redex through it before looking at complicated solutions.

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll happily do that is Redex is what people recommend, I've just read so much "it doesnt work" things everywhere Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I'll happily do that is Redex is what people recommend, I've just read so much "it doesnt work" things everywhere Laughing

Odd as it was the suggestion of the guy who worked on my bike. Basically he could have removed the carbs, cleaned them in the sonic bath and put back on for a cost to me of £100+ or I could just run Redex through to do the same job.

Now as he's not the sort of guy who turns away money I took him at his word. However, I also suspect the revenue from the number of MOTs and other work he could have got while spending time faffing with my carbs may have influenced his decision.

From experience I have run Redex in the past and all was well. IMHO I suspect those that say it doesn't work expect some miracle bhp boost or mega fuel consumption. It's a little more subtle than that.

Also consider the fuel stabiliser and/or the fuel conditioner from Putoline. Have use the stabiliser over winter and in the 20 litre emergency jerry can and occasional use of the conditioner.

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PostPosted: 14:55 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suppose I could just get redex and a funnel, whack on the petrol hose and crank it over just sucking redex in for 10 seconds or so Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Suppose I could just get redex and a funnel, whack on the petrol hose and crank it over just sucking redex in for 10 seconds or so Laughing

Why?
Just put the Redex in the tank and use the bike.

Only other way I've heard of using Redex is a squirt into cylinders.

I think you have some strange ideas Confused
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
I think you have some strange ideas Confused


Wink Oh yeaaah.

Well, I just figure adding the cleaning agent alone then forcing petrol through after would work a little more than being diluted by fuel?

Tank needs to come off again to add fuel filter and longer fuel line Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you say it broke down in the rain have you checked water isn't getting sucked into the air filter making it wet ?
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

WULFSTAN wrote:
you say it broke down in the rain have you checked water isn't getting sucked into the air filter making it wet ?


Air filter fine, airbox is very well hidden Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a new gasket on the points cover just in case. When you say its bogging down was it fine before the brake down? Reason i ask is that can may need larger main jets in the carbs.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 10 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OEM plug caps are not particularly good quality.Take the caps off and check that the internal resistors and springs are clean and that there is no corrosion.The resistors should read 5-10k ohms and can break down when hot and go to infintiy....and in the words of Buzz Liteyear 'and beyond!' Laughing

The vent holes in the rubbers are to vent the condensation.
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PostPosted: 05:54 - 11 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would I test those Fizzer?

I'm going to half say the coils are probably to blame here.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 12 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the non-reply for a while Paddy.

To check the plug caps,look up inside of the cap where it locates onto the spark plug.If there is a slot either side of the central hole that goes onto the plug,undo this insert with a blade screwdriver.Inside of the plug cap should be a spring and a ceramic part that looks like a maggot.This ceramic part is the resistive element.Check for corrosion on all parts and clean using a piece of fine sandpaper.
If you have access to a multimeter measure the resistor.If it is more than 10k ohms cold then this part could be on its way to breaking down with heat.As these resistors are not available seperately the bike shop would suggest that the only option is to replace the plug cap,but at around £5 per cap (this is what I was quoted for an Exup cap) this is sometimes the only way out to get the bike running again.
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