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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Can I get some quick advice R.E these two roundabouts? Reply with quote

I've got my Mod 2 tomorrow morning, I had my final two lessons yesterday, went round the test routes etc... Everything was fine but I'm a little confused about the correct procedure with these two roundabouts, as I didn't manage to get a very good explanation from my instructor, and I just want to ensure I've got this right, or wrong, whatever the case!

Roundabout 1.

https://i50.tinypic.com/20r5ydz.jpg

Coming off a dual carriageway and taking the 4th exit, into another dual carriageway. Right indicator until I pass the last exit before mine, then switch to left right. Now do I change lanes from the lane closest to the island to the left hand lane on that straight after I pass the last exit, or should I stay in the outer lane and continue on that? And if I do change, indicate or not?

Roundabout 2.

https://i48.tinypic.com/5vbo9i.jpg

This line is correct right? (ignore the awful swerves caused by my crappy hand at painting) Merge into the closest to the island, switch indicator at the blue line again, and no indication just after the first exit where I merge to the outer lane rather than the inner where it splits? Just keep my right indicator on?

Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate this, going to head out and get a little practice in on them both after I get some answers.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Can I get some quick advice R.E these two roundabouts? Reply with quote

Looks good, don't forget your checks and if you start something for fucks sake finish it!! Better to take a wrong turn like a badass than do half a turn then think better of it like a fucking pussy!! Examiner see's that, he'll call you a bitch and fail you.

Keep your head cool and you'll be fine.

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Good luck buddy, hope to see a thread tomorrow about how crap it is sorting insurance out.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good, only thing i would pick up on is the indicator in teh 2nd pic.

I wouldnt bother, you can only turn right considering the lane you are in.

But indicate on your test, cos the examiner will be picky.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the first rdbt I'd be getting in the left lane as soon as I'd passed the third exit.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
On the first rdbt I'd be getting in the left lane as soon as I'd passed the third exit.


Yep me too, but I don't know what they are taught these days
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

those are some of the biggest freakin aroundabouts i have ever seen!
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First roundabout I'd be looking to move over just after the third exit (i.e. where you said you'd start indicating). Sitting in the RH lane makes it more likely that someone will come up your inside, or pull out on you from the entrance just before your exit.

2nd one looks pretty good - stick to your lane (i.e. the markings ont he road) remember your shoulder checks and remember your indicators (and cancel them afterwards).

I would like to reiterate the eloquently put "if you start something for fucks sake finish it!" comment. They aren't testing your ability to follow directions, don't ride dangerously just to make an exit or to bail on an exit you took by mistake - see it through and deal with it later.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, first off, I passed my test in 2001, and my primary concern since then has been staying alive, not test passing, so the following may be complete wrong. Just so we're clear....

I've put my indicator points in green, and riding line in orange.
https://i46.tinypic.com/b6ujjc.jpg
This one looks pretty much right, but as soon as you start indicating left (and i'd do this a little earlier than you, i think, but its fine), you need to look at moving into the left lane as soon as you can.

https://i50.tinypic.com/2a6a4q8.jpg
In this one, you're indicating right, so i would stay right (actually in the middle on this part of this roundabout), till you pass the last junction you dont want, then as before, indicate and move to the outside left lane.

If you're in the left lane, but indicating right (as you are on the first part of the roundabout in your version), people may think you're intending on moving into the right hand lane.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
They aren't testing your ability to follow directions, don't ride dangerously just to make an exit or to bail on an exit you took by mistake - see it through and deal with it later.


Unless it is the independent driving part of the test where they say "Follow the signs for xxxxx"
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
If you're in the left lane, but indicating right (as you are on the first part of the roundabout in your version), people may think you're intending on moving into the right hand lane.

Hope that helps.

Zen Dog


I'd be sticking to the filter lanes, they are designed to filter traffic to where it wants to go.

IMO the OP is spot on.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
They aren't testing your ability to follow directions, don't ride dangerously just to make an exit or to bail on an exit you took by mistake - see it through and deal with it later.


Unless it is the independent driving part of the test where they say "Follow the signs for xxxxx"



Even then, https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_189979:

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What happens if you go off the independent driving route
If you go off the independent driving route it won't affect the result of your test unless you commit a driving fault.
If you go off the route or take a wrong turning, the examiner will help you to get back on the route. You can then continue with the independent driving.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the lanes are clearly marked out then stick to them, you will be getting minors if you start changing lanes mid roundabout in your test.

OP your diagrams look fine to me, like others have said, if you do make a wrong turn/lane/indication/etc stick to it they cant minor/major you for doing all the correct procedure but taking the wrong turn/exit but they can if you rapidly change lanes to correct yourself or indicate past a turn.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
I'd be sticking to the filter lanes, they are designed to filter traffic to where it wants to go.


I would only follow the OP's line if i was going off at the third exit (off the bottom of the pic). If I saw someone going around the roundabout in the extreme left hand lane, but indicating right, i would assume that they either -

a) had made a mistake and wanted to come back into the right hand lane.

b) didn't know what they were doing and should be avoided.

EDIT - edited to make it sound less italian. Twice.

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PostPosted: 14:51 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember when entering a roundabout in the right hand lane to do a lifesaver on your left for anything on your inside. Lifesaver on the right on exit.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much guys, I was pretty sure I had it right, it feels right to ride, and safe most importantly.

Zen dog, thanks for those diagrams, your right r.e the first pic, I put my indication mark a little too late, I've been doing it where you put yours mostly.

As for the second one, I initially stayed right like you said, but my instructor told me to merge into the outside lane, whilst maintaining that right indicator, which to me feels wrong, but they are adamant it's the correct way I think.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
those are some of the biggest freakin aroundabouts i have ever seen!


Welcome to Bedfordshire!

Also, on the first picture, if I'm in the left lane after all the exits right before my exit on the straight, even though it's clear I'm going to be going in that left exit, should I indicate anyway yes? I figure I should, even though I'm essentially going straight it's still a turn off.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best piece of advice I was ever given is to imagine some knob-jockey on an R1/Busa/Blade/GSXR (delete as applicable) is behind you, but in your blind spot.

i.e. As if there is someone that is likely to need to know exactly where you are going, and doubly-likely to try to zip past you at any given opportunity.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Zen Dog says, I too would be changing my indicator just after I had passed the junction that is before the one I wished to use as my exit.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
First roundabout I'd be looking to move over just after the third exit (i.e. where you said you'd start indicating). Sitting in the RH lane makes it more likely that someone will come up your inside, or pull out on you from the entrance just before your exit.

2nd one looks pretty good - stick to your lane (i.e. the markings ont he road) remember your shoulder checks and remember your indicators (and cancel them afterwards).

I would like to reiterate the eloquently put "if you start something for fucks sake finish it!" comment. They aren't testing your ability to follow directions, don't ride dangerously just to make an exit or to bail on an exit you took by mistake - see it through and deal with it later.


what he said ^
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
As for the second one, I initially stayed right like you said, but my instructor told me to merge into the outside lane, whilst maintaining that right indicator, which to me feels wrong, but they are adamant it's the correct way I think.


Well its their job to get you through the test, i'd listen to them. Very Happy

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PostPosted: 12:05 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Argh fail!

One bloody major, no minors. Came off a roundabout into the outside lane, was in there two seconds until I safely moved back onto the inside but a guy who was speeding (instructor said so himself) was held up by me for a couple seconds, so it was a fail. Fair enough! Rebooked.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh balls. Roundabouts as well. Well, no-one can say you didnt try! Good luck on the retest. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
Argh fail!

One bloody major, no minors. Came off a roundabout into the outside lane, was in there two seconds until I safely moved back onto the inside but a guy who was speeding (instructor said so himself) was held up by me for a couple seconds, so it was a fail. Fair enough! Rebooked.


know it's too late now but always remember to come off in the outside lane if at all possible unless, there are parked cars or some other obstruction that keeps you from making progress in a safe and unobtrusive manner.

Unlucky mate. You'll be fine for next time, learn from it and keep on keeping on.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:
skylineonfire wrote:
Argh fail!

One bloody major, no minors. Came off a roundabout into the outside lane, was in there two seconds until I safely moved back onto the inside but a guy who was speeding (instructor said so himself) was held up by me for a couple seconds, so it was a fail. Fair enough! Rebooked.


know it's too late now but always remember to come off in the outside lane if at all possible unless, there are parked cars or some other obstruction that keeps you from making progress in a safe and unobtrusive manner.

Unlucky mate. You'll be fine for next time, learn from it and keep on keeping on.


Absolutely, and we did about 4 roundabouts prior to the one I messed up on, and I got all those right, it was the fact I held a car up slightly that failed me. Pretty gutted purely because it means I've got to wait a month for a retest.
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