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PostPosted: 21:57 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Legal non lock knife. Reply with quote

Need 2 legal knifes for last resort scenario when encountering Chav dogs, have a break stick, and can break their windpipes, but that,s not an easy thing to do in the heat of things.

Utter fucking plebs with dangerous dogs off lead, no control. Rolling Eyes

Would rather have one in the ruck sack and not need it, than need it and not have one.

That Quote from the lesbo bitch of Avp, is top notch.

Thinking about 20 quid per knife. Question Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the law on knives is 3" blade max and non-flick.

I carried one as part of a multi-tool pocket knife on my keyring for ages. Keys which I took to college. Probably not the best idea in hindsight, but nevermind.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under 3 inch afaik, just want a good one ....
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Legal non lock knife. Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
Need 2 legal knifes for last resort scenario when encountering Chav dogs, have a break stick, and can break their windpipes, but that,s not an easy thing to do in the heat of things.

Utter fucking plebs with dangerous dogs off lead, no control. Rolling Eyes

Would rather have one in the ruck sack and not need it, than need it and not have one.



Sure, it's much easier to fish a blade out your rucksack "in the heat of things" Rolling Eyes

As an aside, talking about plebs who have no control of their dogs; was it not one of yours that ripped a hedgehog apart not too long ago?
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i think the knife belongs in the owner not the dog and i'm not keen to advise people to carry knives. . .but i see your point.

Lots of people carry lock-knives down here and they're freely available in various sizes in the fishing shops for a few quid. I've got several. . .but only cos i buy one, put it somewhere safe out of reach of tiny hands, forget where that place is, buy another one, put it somewhere safe out of reach of tiny hands etc etc. Rolling Eyes I carry them to places like the beach (widdling off limpets for rock pooling) picnics when things need cutting-up (better than an open sharp object in a bag) etc.

I've got several diving knives which are much stronger and with quite big serrated blades due to the things they're expected to stand up to. I have got my diving ticket but i can't afford to do diving at present. But i always take one snorkelling as i'm not prepared to get tangled up in the umpteen fishing lines, pots, bouys etc in the water down here.

I guess the only way to carry a knife without being in the poo legally is to have a hobby/pastime that warrants you owning it and carrying it at the time.

I do have a multi-tool in my handbag at all times as it's dead handy. It has a blade on but it's only tiny and not particularly strong.

A knife is a really nasty weapon and unless you know exactly what you are doing with one you run the risk of basically handing an assailant a means of doing you some real damage. If you can think of any other way to deal with a dog whose owner has left you no other choice it'd be a better option Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but now they have electrocution devices attached. And dogs can lock on for ages FYI. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If some Chavs dog is locked onto mine, and break stick and throat punch fail, then it,s getting killed. As for the owner, he can have his dead dog back Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:
I guess the only way to carry a knife without being in the poo legally is to have a hobby/pastime that warrants you owning it and carrying it at the time.

Unless it has a blade less than 3" and is non-lockable.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
cornish wrote:
I guess the only way to carry a knife without being in the poo legally is to have a hobby/pastime that warrants you owning it and carrying it at the time.

Unless it has a blade less than 3" and is non-lockable.


Be clear that the legal standard (in England and Wales) is:
Harris v DPP and Fehmi v DPP (1993) wrote:
to be "a folding pocket knife" the blade [has] to be readily and immediately foldable at all times simply by the folding process.


I'd be careful about assuming that a multi-tool would be considered "immediately foldable", if it works the way mine does. I keep it on the bike, never on my person.

cov, if you're seriously considering doing this, have you considered a garotte instead? Your "break stick" is more likely to be considered an offensive weapon. The Scotch Beak considered a 5" keyring kubotan to be an offensive weapon Exclamation

It's just occurred to me that if it had a 3" folding blade in it, it would probably have been OK. Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I'd be careful about assuming that a multi-tool would be considered "immediately foldable", if it works the way mine does.

How does yours work?
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
cornish wrote:
I guess the only way to carry a knife without being in the poo legally is to have a hobby/pastime that warrants you owning it and carrying it at the time.

Unless it has a blade less than 3" and is non-lockable.




ooopsie. My lock-knives are all longer than that Embarassed Although, knife crime is almost non-existant down here so i guess it's not a massive issue and anyone being stopped would have a list of umpteen outdoorsy type reasons for having one.

One of my diving knives is hanging on a (high-up) hook by the door cos i use it in the garden loads. I've had the police round several times due to our colourful neighbours so they've walked past a chuffing great knife hanging at head height and i've never been asked about it Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

I'd be careful about assuming that a multi-tool would be considered "immediately foldable", if it works the way mine does.

How does yours work?


I assume its the same as mine, open two halves of multitool, knife folds out, then close the two halves of the multitool. This means that the knife wouldn't fold back in without first opening the multitool.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legal knife recommendations welcome. Idea
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno, I wouldn't carry one, especially not for that purpose. You're less likely to have a garotte used against you by a weapon dog's owner as well.

Aff wrote:
I assume its the same as mine, open two halves of multitool, knife folds out, then close the two halves of the multitool. This means that the knife wouldn't fold back in without first opening the multitool.

That. A few years back, I filed a FOI with the Jockurator Fiscal asking them to give their opinion on it, and got the standard "Refuse to disclose as it may assist in the commission of crimes" reply. Rolling Eyes

Actually, it's been a while, I might chuck another one at them via that webby thingy. Thinking


cornish wrote:
My lock-knives are all longer than [3"]

If it locks, length is irrelevant. It's only excluded from offensive weapon legislation if it folds (without locking) and the cutting edge is no more than 3".


cornish wrote:
One of my diving knives is hanging on a (high-up) hook by the door cos i use it in the garden loads. I've had the police round several times due to our colourful neighbours so they've walked past a chuffing great knife hanging at head height and i've never been asked about it Shocked

Inside is fine, you can have anything you like hanging up. Plus you're always armed with your rapier sharp wit. Dance!
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/c-catshowall-92-641/

take your pick, there's about 50'000 on there which they claim to be "legal to carry"

You can carry anything with good reason. "stabbing a dog" is not good reason.

Best thing you can do is carry a swiss army knife, rather than some locking, serrated, biggest and meanest I could carry "i think I'm fucking rambo and I'm gonna stab every dog for 5 miles" knife.

I have mine with me when I'm out walking with the dog in the woods/across fields - means I can use the tweezers to remove grass seeds from paws and ears, remove thorns, cut any farm/bailing twine which she might become wrapped in.

I sure as hell don't carry it with the intention of stabbing other peoples dogs. It's never even crossed my mind. Confused

Walk your dog somewhere else.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A screwdriver is an offensive weapon in the right circumstances.

It's all about the context.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
A screwdriver is an offensive weapon in the right circumstances.


Yes, it is. One of the guys I used to work with had one shoved into his kidney. That's pretty offensive.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the SpyderCo UK Penknife (UKPK), designed specifically for our stupidly restrictive knife laws to be 100% UK legal. Comes sharp as hell too.

Has a clip so you can keep it safe in your pocket, plus one handed opening. Due to the way you hold it, the blade is unlikely to fold back onto your fingers. I use mine most days, and nearly always have it on me.

You don't need a reason to carry it, however, if you are stopped and said it was for 'self-defence' or 'to stab a dog' it would immediately become an offensive weapon (just like a screwdriver or umbrella). best thing to say is 'I didn't realise I needed a reason, as it's a non-locking sub 3" folding pocket knife.'

They're more than £20 though... still, you get what you pay for, and a cheap one is likely to foldup as soon as you hit something solid and cut up your fingers.

Try to make stabbing a dog a last resort though, not normally their fault the owners can't train them.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea

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PostPosted: 22:56 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a small spray bottle.

Buy some hot chili/curry powder, mix it with water and fill in to spray bottle.

When dog is attacked, spray vicious dog in the face. ( If the police askjust say you don't like bland food and you spray it on everything you eat, be prepared to demonstrate this).

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No dog dies.


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Tbh I hated so many people with shit chav dogs, I lost my dog recently and all though he was quite a big dog (32kg), he never bit anyone nor had he any aggression, he was soft caring, I'd hate a nasty vicious dog. I really would.

I've been bit before by staffs and the like, I had my wedding ring made oval on New Years day a few years ago. In the end I used to just carry my mag light around with me. The problem dogs were always staff types and the owners were always from council estates, always male and always under 25.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 04 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't know where i walk or who i encounter so STFU. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 04 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

most animals are scared of fire.

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PostPosted: 18:08 - 04 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a fishing knife of amazon

they are ace but illaegal to carry for no reason

i use mine at work for cutting rope so am ok
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