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jasond
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: plans to charge for on-street parking at Matlock Bath Reply with quote

got a newsletter from SMC today, with a note at the bottom that Derbyshire County Council are planning on introducing on-street charges for parking on the road. Theres a petition to sign to oppose them, think i've got this right:

https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/council/have_your_say/Petitions/details/default.asp?PetitionID=197

apparently 7500 sigs needed & theres 3500 on it already
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest im not sure i see what all the fuss is about with this, im a regular up there and don't see where it would hurt anything for the bikers who are there all day to pay a nominal parking fee, £2-3 for the day is nothing if your there all day like most, yes if they start pushing it at £2-3 an hour then it's an issue

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PostPosted: 19:49 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They make a packet on food and drink - greedy fucking councils,
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you link to the actual proposal for the introduction of any charges? All I can find on the DCC website that is related is this petition.

Seems a bit daft to be signing a petition calling for plans to be abandoned when there is no evidence of what the plans might be or even that the plans exist!
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not good but like yam says link to the actual proposal would be good.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a couple of news stories about it that all say pretty much the same thing - it was in the news a month ago and even then the report on the proposal had already been withdrawn.....

So the actual proposal itself, including charges (it looks like they wanted 50p/hour for bikes with cars paying £1.30 for one hour or £4 for up to 4 hours) and the times the charges would apply, isn't available. Confused
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they gonna do it though...

Put your coins in the machine, get the ticket, stick it on.
What's to stop anyone taking it off the bike again and putting it on theirs, or just pinching it to be awkward.

Unless you put your reg into the machine so any parking wardens can check electronically if you've paid or not, then it's not a theft-proof system, and implementing that kind of system would be a lot of expense and hassle.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

council starts charging for bikers, bikers move to different place, council stops charging, bikers are all gone. Yet another great move from our great councils Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hairy Tom wrote:
council starts charging for bikers, bikers move to different place, council stops charging, bikers are all gone. Yet another great move from our great councils Thumbs Up


Maybe some will see it as getting a space easier Smile
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jasond
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
Can you link to the actual proposal for the introduction of any charges? All I can find on the DCC website that is related is this petition.

Seems a bit daft to be signing a petition calling for plans to be abandoned when there is no evidence of what the plans might be or even that the plans exist!


Sorry - I've not seen it - I just got a newsletter from SMC, saw the bit about charging, went into a blind rage "how dare they, the barstewards" sort of thing, clicked the link then stuck it on here....
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
How are they gonna do it though...

Put your coins in the machine, get the ticket, stick it on.
What's to stop anyone taking it off the bike again and putting it on theirs, or just pinching it to be awkward.


do what i do, buy a ticket, stick it on, take a photo of it on mobile phone, stick ticket in pocket.

if PCN comes through, email off the photo, if they persist, email them a scan of the parking ticket and when the "why wasnt it on your bike" comes through just say "it was, your wardens are knobs"
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm yes 'the state' is rather fond of function creep. Resistance is to be admired but often futile.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
Ben-B wrote:
How are they gonna do it though...

Put your coins in the machine, get the ticket, stick it on.
What's to stop anyone taking it off the bike again and putting it on theirs, or just pinching it to be awkward.


do what i do, buy a ticket, stick it on, take a photo of it on mobile phone, stick ticket in pocket.

if PCN comes through, email off the photo, if they persist, email them a scan of the parking ticket and when the "why wasnt it on your bike" comes through just say "it was, your wardens are knobs"


I do similar for faulty parking ticket machines. Record myself on my mobile putting the right money in and no ticket being issued. It is strange how all the demands for money with menaces and insistance the machine was working perfectly on the day in question evaporate once the video footage comes to light.

I would like the opportunity one day to play it in court in front of a judge. Ditto for documents posted first class to the DVLA.

Rogerborg (you appear to be the right person to ask) would I be permitted to use / show such video evidence in court?
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes you would.

if your being sued for money for not paying a parking ticket, any photo or video evidence of you buying one is fully usable in court. it is after all. key evidence. as long as its time and date stamped and has not been tampered with.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
Maybe some will see it as getting a space easier Smile


No doubt.

Matlock is utterly pointless anyway. It just seems to be somewhere for the weekend warriors on sportsbikes to go for an hour or two before they have to go back home to wifey and start on the gardening or watch the F1. These part-timers will gladly pay because for many, the matlock run is the only use their bikes ever get.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went last month, and the bikes were varied - very varied. Confused Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not bothered going down there this year, one the weather has been rub nearly every weekend (yes im one of those part time bikers that gets all fussy about my bike getting wet!) 2 I got fed up with concentrating more on looking out for the plod than enjoying the ride on the run into MB.

I don't think paying a quid or so would be the end of the world, so long as it do sent also bring out PC traffic warden come ticket inspector plodding about slapping tickets and fines on bikers for minor infringements of the law (small plates etc)
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

have to think that with the economy so shit most councils will be looking for any extra revenue in years to come, don't see why bikes would be exempt.

could be as simple as a barrier and payment if a walled space/car park..or as they do in clever old westminster, make it pay by phone.

no pay shown on system...ticket issued...simple.

( sure it won't come to matlock yet but you can see it coming to some councils over the coming years.
what are bikers going to do...ride and never stop for a brew or chat. )
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