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| jeddy11 |
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 jeddy11 Traffic Copper

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 Posted: 09:12 - 06 Sep 2012 Post subject: Yet another new license question ! |
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Im mid way through restrictive license (mod 2 to go) which means i can ride up to a 33 bhp machine for 2 years..
Reading with the new laws in Jan the restrictive license grants 47 bhp..
Now will i be able to ride a 47 bhp machine when the new law comes in or will i be restricted to 33 bhp ??
cheers ____________________ Fuelly My Z1000SX
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You'll be restricted to 33bhp until the 2 years are up from passing the test. The new changes only come into effect for those taking their test after the deadline. You could pass your test the day before they bring in the new system and still be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years and then able to ride anything.
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Yup, you'll have an "A<=25kW" license, it'll upgrade after 2 years and won't be effected by the license changes. It's a different category from the new 35kW A2 license that's coming next year.
It's confusing, I know, since you'll sit a "standard" test on an "A2" motorcycle and get an "A<=25kW" license. It doesn't help that the DVLA mongtards actually list A<=25kW as "A2" in 'previous entitlement' on counterparts.
But, never mind all that bollocks, you'll be on 25kW for 2 years, is all you need to know. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 map Mr Calendar

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 Posted: 10:04 - 06 Sep 2012 Post subject: |
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Agree with the above. You will be restricted for the 2 years to 33bhp.
The licence code for what you are entitled to ride will appear on your licence.
New codes are being used for the new regulations from Jan 2013.
These codes indicate what you can ride.
You must ride in accordance with your licence.
However, worth noting from this firm of solicitors it does not necessarily invalidate your insurance as perhaps the police would make you believe.
I'd just get on and pass the mod 2 and enjoy riding without L plates and upgrade the bike after 2 years.
Best of luck with the test  ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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 Rogerborg nimbA

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| map wrote: | New codes are being used for the new regulations from Jan 2013. |
We don't know yet how the DVLA intend to balls this one up, but A1 and A (or we might call it A3 although that's not in the 3DLD) are the same as the current categories, so I can't see them dicking around with those.
It's only A2 that defines a new category, and since they've never used that on photocards (although they do erroneously use it on counterparts) they can just add that from next year.
Oh, here's a laugh, if you pass A1 at 17 (I doubt anyone will, but bear with me), build up 2 years of experience for insurance purposes, then pass A2 at 19 and then A/A3 at 21, want to bet that insurers will knock you back to 0 years again each time and treat you the same as someone who's just jumped on a bike? Anyone want to take that bet? Aaaaanyone at all? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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i have a question too
say i pass this year, i get my restricted license, which as far as all the licensing people are concerned is classed as a2 on the license? so what happens when my restriction ends, do i send the license in, they give me one with A on it, or does it just disappear OR am i thinking this wrong, and the way it actually will show your entitlement will be A- with a restriction of 33bhp from xxdate to xxdate?
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 jeddy11 Traffic Copper

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Thanks all just been looking at this weeks mcn and like the look of the new ninja 300cc lol.  ____________________ Fuelly My Z1000SX
cbt 06/08/11 mod1 (second go) 01/08/12 mod2 21/09/12
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| woodall57 wrote: | say i pass this year, i get my restricted license, which as far as all the licensing people are concerned is classed as a2 on the license? |
Nope. It's "A <= 25kW". It's confusing as hell, because "A2" is a current DSA classification for the bike that you'll sit it on (121-125cc, <=11kW, 100kph+), so people have been calling the license class that for years, including insurers and even the DVLA (on the 'previous entitlement' on the counterpart), but there is currently no such license category, and the DVLA will confirm this if pressed.
| woodall57 wrote: | so what happens when my restriction ends, do i send the license in, they give me one with A on it, or does it just disappear OR am i thinking this wrong, and the way it actually will show your entitlement will be A- with a restriction of 33bhp from xxdate to xxdate?  |
You don't have to do anything, although the "To" date on that line of your license shows when it expires (your 70th birthday) not when it upgrades. Coppers aren't particularly well trained though, and it might be an issue (on the spot) if you show a license still saying "<=25kW".
So you can get it updated to show A. DO NOT SEND IT BACK, just tick the "lost" box (so you can "find" it again), and buy a replacement (£20) or do a change of address (£0).
Congratulations, you'll (probably) get back a license that shows you've got A entitlement from the date that it upgraded, i.e. 2 years after you passed your test.
You'll now have to be very careful when getting insurance. Read the question you're being asked very carefully. "When did you pass your test" is not the same as "How long have you had that license category" (as eBike ask). If they ask "How long have you had your license" then the interpretation is anyone's guess; the chances of you finding someone who can even understand the question let alone give you a definitive answer aren't great.
Fun, eh?  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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when i passed my car test and went with aviva, they took the date i got my provisional license as how long i had held a licnese...
every other insurer takes the date i passed my test...
(oddly, Aviva are still the more expensive option - and even tried to chase me down for the cost of a courtesy car when an uninsured driver smacked into the back of me... despite me having cover for courtesy car lol.)
insurance companies are a rip off... note how a non-fault claim will increase your premium... (why? - its not your fault if somebody else cant drive?)
sadly, since insurance is a legal requirement, they do what they want...
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also, can you take your NCB from learner 125 onto a bike after passing your test?
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CBT= 14/7/12 Done, Theory= 6/9/12 Done, Mod1= 26/9/12 (fingers crossed), Mod2= to be booked... (pending mod1) |
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 wayne.p Nitrous Nuisance
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I'm yet to see an increase in premium for a non fault claim. |
do some quotes when i had my neighbour smash into me when i was parked up the xmas before last, (in the icy snow) my insurance was 50 quid more for declaring that non fault claim, than if i didnt declare it...
perhaps some insurance companies dont use them, or maybe its my age etc (although i am 27)...
I did go via another insurer because they were cheaper, (admiral) but still... mind, admiral want more this year, despite an extra NCB year, than they did last year (wheres the logic) needless to say, i swiped Swift Cover's hand off when i got £475 quote ( i do have a fault claim listed from 2010 so that messes me over a little... ) but my insurance is still cheaper than my mates mother who lives in central brum lol. ____________________ CBT= 2006... Passed car test=8/3/08... then a break in biking...
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