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PostPosted: 13:01 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

did DVLA have a brain wave for once

Possible repost but SORN is pretty high on the search hits

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Published 09 December 2013

The government has made some changes to the regulations for Continuous Insurance of vehicles in the UK.

From 16-12-2013 it will no longer be necessary to renew a SORN every year as long as you remain the owner of the car. But if you sell a car on a SORN, the new owner will need to register it to himself and declare his own SORN. The SORN does not pass from one keeper to another.

The change, announced today by Roads Minister Robert Goodwill, is part of a package of measures to get rid of unnecessary red tape.

Last year, around 4 million SORNs were made, with over 1 million of those repeat renewals.

Additionally, registered keepers will no longer need to have their insurance certificates checked when re-taxing a vehicle.

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Additionally, registered keepers will no longer need to have their insurance certificates checked when re-taxing a vehicle.


Note on this.
What it seems it means is that you do not need to take Ins cert when taxing at post office.
As they will have access to MID to check you are insured.

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PostPosted: 13:40 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up to the SORN change, although I already had a bike on SORN for over a year without receiving a reminder or any blackmail letters, so it's entirely possible that the DVLA have jumped the gun.

On insurance certificates to pay for VED, a qualified Thumbs Up. As I heard it[*] the post office / DVLA office won't even check the MID, they'll just take your money and record it on The Computer.

This is in tandem with doing away with the physical vehicle license, which makes sense. The point of checking insurance was to try and prevent people getting a vehicle license (tax disc) which provided a visible clue to the tools of the State that something was up.

The MID now makes all that redundant, so there's no point in making it hard to give money to the exchequer.

Be sure to get and keep your receipt though.

[*] Tthere was a DfT consultation on doing away with the requirement to even issue insurance certificates earlier this year, which of course we all contributed to, right. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
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Additionally, registered keepers will no longer need to have their insurance certificates checked when re-taxing a vehicle.


Note on this.
What it seems it means is that you do not need to take Ins cert when taxing at post office.
As they will have access to MID to check you are insured.

Linky


Aye but....

Always take the paper to the man anyway to save you a double journey.
I have twiced not been permitted to buy tax on-line as the MID hadn't been up-dated by the mongs I bought the insurance from.
MCE on both occasions. (Phannies). Sad
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thumbs Up to the SORN change, although I already had a bike on SORN for over a year without receiving a reminder or any blackmail letters, so it's entirely possible that the DVLA have jumped the gun

Exactly the same for two friends - was discussing this the other day as i was telling them not to chance it for the 10 mins it takes to renew it, more fool me Rolling Eyes

Seems electronically monitoring all this shit is bringing in a few sprinkles of common sense. Hopefully its a sign of things to come, not holding my breath though Whistle
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Seems electronically monitoring all this shit is bringing in a few sprinkles of common sense. Hopefully its a sign of things to come, not holding my breath though Whistle



Yeah with any luck 'The Man' will connect to our ECM via an RF link and rein us all in to NSL soon too. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've lost me on so many levels i'm ashamed to admit it Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've lost me on so many levels i'm ashamed to admit it Embarassed


Fuk.

Electronic control of duty, insurance, MOT, Licence, Next thing is a radio link to the machine's Electronic Control Unit/Module.

Just have ruined the whole point of the post you. Mad

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just have ruined the whole point of the post you. Mad

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PostPosted: 14:41 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All we need to do now is remove the need to pay for the tax that we no longer have physical ownership of and they will get a Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Aye but....

Always take the paper to the man anyway to save you a double journey.
I have twiced not been permitted to buy tax on-line as the MID hadn't been up-dated by the mongs I bought the insurance from.
MCE on both occasions. (Phannies). Sad


And that is where the whole database system falls down.....
They can email a certificate or generate one online in seconds.... But link and update a active database is something else.....

Time that failure is a nice big fine. £5K a time should soon see the Ins co's make their systems work.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just have ruined the whole point of the post you. Mad

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Aye that was what you made it feel like. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 15:05 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:

It would just end up being paid by us through our premiums.


So you mean just let them get away with it then.... Lets hope you don't get a ANPR tug for it showing no ins then....
Soon that Ins cert will mean nothing to the PC on the street.

Still I guess you can complain to the FCA as they are regulated by the same mob as the banks and its £750 a throw if it goes to them....
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So why has this taken untill now to happen? i honestly need to get a job working in the public sector.

Come on, be reasonable now, the governments and its minions aren't that attentive Folded arms
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoop! That makes things easier for the moped that was stripped for parts that I owned and lost the v5 on, no more reminders to sorn Surprised
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

A big Thumbs Down to the insurance certificate not needed.
It doesn't say if you can still use it, but no doubt it will soon got to MID only - which would be great, if it was accurate and updated promptly Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

G wrote:
which would be great, if it was accurate and updated promptly Rolling Eyes.


I agree, remember that SV I bought... it was down as a Subaru SV650 on the MID Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
did DVLA have a brain wave for once

You won't like this but it was the current government, NOT the DVLA.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
oldpink wrote:
did DVLA have a brain wave for once

You won't like this but it was the current government, NOT the DVLA.


Either way....

It's moments like these that prove there is someone out there with a bit of common sense.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: no more SORN renewal Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
It's moments like these that prove there is someone out there with a bit of common sense.

I believe that this was another initiative kicked off by Mike "the bike" Penning at the DfT before he got a punishment posting to Northern Ireland. Sad


G wrote:
A big Thumbs Down to the insurance certificate not needed.
It doesn't say if you can still use it, but no doubt it will soon got to MID only - which would be great, if it was accurate and updated promptly Rolling Eyes.

Which was my response to the DfT consultation.

A physical certificate of insurance is the only way that I can actually prove that I'm insured if the insuramongs tw​at it up or the MID runs out of cheese. That's not my words, it's (slightly paraphrased) the Court of Appeals'.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Thought they gave up on having to renew SORN a couple of years ago, even though the DVLA carried on sending out the forms. Looking round seems it was announced a couple of years ago (link to Carol Nash article on it) but possibly not implemented. Found something else suggesting that the legal bits behind it were included in the finance act earlier this year.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:12 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This explains why I didn't get a SORN reminder about my Vespa. Pity the useless shower of shite didn't let us know.

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