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PostPosted: 12:58 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Heated Grips / Handguards Reply with quote

I'm after some heated grips for the winter, but they're crap because they only warm the inside of your hands.

Are there any that sort of extend out and also warm the top of your hands as well? Or am I looking at forking out loads for one set of heated grips and some hand guards as well?
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Search tool, there for a reason Wink

Rogerborg did a good "make yourself some muffs post".

Tempted to make some for my tiddler when i get the chance

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PostPosted: 13:09 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

heated gloves might do it?
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Heated Grips / Handguards Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
I'm after some heated grips for the winter, but they're crap because they only warm the inside of your hands.

Are there any that sort of extend out and also warm the top of your hands as well? Or am I looking at forking out loads for one set of heated grips and some hand guards as well?


I'm failing to see how you would be able to use the levers or throttle if your grips wrapped over the top of your hands. Best way is muffs. Everyone likes a bit of muff.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tucano urbano bar end muffs,its amazing how warm they get with heated grips in the mix,

use them through winter on my zx6r,thin gloves are needed though Exclamation
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Heated Grips / Handguards Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
J7mbo wrote:
I'm after some heated grips for the winter, but they're crap because they only warm the inside of your hands.

Are there any that sort of extend out and also warm the top of your hands as well? Or am I looking at forking out loads for one set of heated grips and some hand guards as well?


I'm failing to see how you would be able to use the levers or throttle if your grips wrapped over the top of your hands. Best way is muffs. Everyone likes a bit of muff.


OK, OK.

Muff's a Muff...
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heated grips will not work very well unless you can retain the heat.
You need thick winter gloves.

I kepp hammering on about them but the BMW winter gloves I have are fan dabba dozy. You can feel feck all switches etc. But your little piggies stay all toasty with the grips on.

They sell for about £70 but are Gortex and really well built. I've been using mine since 2008... Not a mark on them either.

You get used to working buttons with them on.
I found them online for £90 but I am certain BMW Motorrad don't sell them for that.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This year I am probably going to attempt a cunning mix of heated grips, plastic milkbottle hand-guards, undergloves, and cheap muffs...

The first three did pretty good last year, added muffology would just be icing on the cake.

BTW, don't forget that hands are both thin, and have blood circulation. Though that is constricted in the cold, it doesn't stop entirely. And the important bits for hand usability are on the palm side.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tahrey wrote:
This year I am probably going to attempt a cunning mix of heated grips, plastic milkbottle hand-guards, undergloves, and cheap muffs...

The first three did pretty good last year, added muffology would just be icing on the cake.

BTW, don't forget that hands are both thin, and have blood circulation. Though that is constricted in the cold, it doesn't stop entirely. And the important bits for hand usability are on the palm side.


This ^^^^

And if you insulate the pipework you can conserve heat from the boiler too. Wear long woolen sleeves in layers. Or a proper tech base layer.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heated grips, MX barkbusters and cheapo £20 ebay muffs for me.

Easily ride with summer gloves all year. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

heated grips, with hand guards to keep the windchill off is what I use, not too bad, thumb gets a bit cold still though
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:

And if you insulate the pipework you can conserve heat from the boiler too. Wear long woolen sleeves in layers. Or a proper tech base layer.


Decent (armoured) cordura jacket with a puffa winter lining, medium thickness jumper and long sleeve shirt is usually mine. Plus thick fuzzy over-socks down below.

Generally unless I've stupidly gone out a bit under dressed, it's still typically my hands and feet (and eyes/ears if I have to open the visor Shocked ) that get coldest. Smallest, thinnest, most remote and most exposed body bits, after all. And they're the parts often that actually make you "feel" cold even if your core temperature is alright. It's the body's early-warning system.

Have bought a couple grandad vests to add to the outfit/general clothing this winter, though that's more of a "lagging the hot water tank" thing than insulating the pipes Smile Considering long-johns as well, at least for commuting days. Going around on personal errands I switch to woolen jogging troos under the leather pants.

BTW, even the crappest hotgrips are far better than having to bang some heat back into your bones at the traffic lights by giving the engine block a massage.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Layers are fine when you are only doing odd shortish rides but when you are doing distance in hammering rain they just don't cut it. As your gear becomes saturated your temperature will drop far below what your body can cope with.
When I was doing distance on a regular basis I was consuming 8000+ calories a day just to stay warm.

Heated grips combined with muffs help as does having GoreTex gear but you still need plastic over gear just to stop the saturation. Add in a heated jacket and your body no longer needs to produce its own heat, just don't have it turned up so high that you sweat.

As Pyro has pointed Wink out I am an old man now so this year I will probably add heated trousers and heated in-soles just to be extra toasty. Don't forget the less obvious things like a fender extender or hugger to stop water getting thrown up at your legs or even a fairing or decent sized screen if you ride a naked bike, the best way to stay warm of course is to stop the cold hitting you. A big fairing or screen will also direct rain around you.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Layers are fine when you are only doing odd shortish rides but when you are doing distance in hammering rain they just don't cut it. As your gear becomes saturated your temperature will drop far below what your body can cope with.
When I was doing distance on a regular basis I was consuming 8000+ calories a day just to stay warm.

Heated grips combined with muffs help as does having GoreTex gear but you still need plastic over gear just to stop the saturation. Add in a heated jacket and your body no longer needs to produce its own heat, just don't have it turned up so high that you sweat.

As Pyro has pointed Wink out I am an old man now so this year I will probably add heated trousers and heated in-soles just to be extra toasty. Don't forget the less obvious things like a fender extender or hugger to stop water getting thrown up at your legs or even a fairing or decent sized screen if you ride a naked bike, the best way to stay warm of course is to stop the cold hitting you. A big fairing or screen will also direct rain around you.


As ^^^ sez, keeping dry is more important than layers. But in keeping dry you need to allow for escape of moisture too. Or you freeze in your own juices. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I have the waterproof jacket ... I did end up getting hypothermic on a long evening ride last november, but in fairness it had been warm enough in the daytime to have my lunch on the beach so I wasn't dolled up like the michelin man! Emergency junk food intake and pulling the "surplus" jumper back out of the bag = everything was so much better.

Normally if it's pissing rain I end up with damp hands and legs (thanks to water soaking slowly through gloves, leather trousers) and sometimes squelchy feet, which makes it a bit tricky stumbling back indoors if they've also ended up chilled from fast riding... but head, arms and torso are still dry and toasty.

Really should bother putting on the one-piece plastic over trousers/shoes I bought, sometime...
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Heated Grips / Handguards Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
I'm failing to see how you would be able to use the levers or throttle if your grips wrapped over the top of your hands. Best way is muffs. Everyone likes a bit of muff.


They could wrap up over the hands from the outside of the bike, just an idea.

I've had these really cheap plasticy 'muffs' before (no wool or anything inside), and they did alright, but this was on a 125 and they always ended up pulling on the brake. I'm going to be riding something with the potential of 150+, they can't pull on the brake...

Had a search for cheap handlebar guards, they only seem to be offroad ones and they're expensive. Might have to try milk bottles with muffs over the top..?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Heated Grips / Handguards Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
truslack wrote:
I'm failing to see how you would be able to use the levers or throttle if your grips wrapped over the top of your hands. Best way is muffs. Everyone likes a bit of muff.


They could wrap up over the hands from the outside of the bike, just an idea.

I've had these really cheap plasticy 'muffs' before (no wool or anything inside), and they did alright, but this was on a 125 and they always ended up pulling on the brake. I'm going to be riding something with the potential of 150+, they can't pull on the brake...

Had a search for cheap handlebar guards, they only seem to be offroad ones and they're expensive. Might have to try milk bottles with muffs over the top..?


If I start to see loads of mongs gadding around on motorbikes with milk bottle handguards fitted then I'm giving up biking.

Our Street Cred is bad enough just with the guys wearing hoodies and fitting loud zorsts etc.....

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PostPosted: 13:09 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oi, don't knock the milk bottles. It's a fantastic trick Laughing

What would you prefer - that, or the CG I used to see parked up near work which had the two halves of a TEN LITRE PLASTIC BUCKET (bright yellow no less!) stuck on as handguards? Laughing
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