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herulach
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 05 Nov 2012    Post subject: Issues with Car Main Dealer, Consumer advice boffins wanted! Reply with quote

I've just taken delivery (last friday) of a one year old ex demo C30. I'm having a couple of issues with the (franchise) dealer.

I paid them £300 to fit parking sensors, they have, but they've completely botched it. Bumper hasn't been refitted correctly, bits of interior trim missing/not replaced correctly. As a result of this I've been doing a bit of reading up on the kit, and it's pretty obvious they haven't fitted an actual volvo part. The volvo accessories website (complete with handy fitting instructions) clearly states you should be able to turn them off from the in car comp and that the radio should mute when they come on. Neither of those happens, the sensors are also visually different (they have a stonking great black ring round them) to the factory ones, and they've had the centre console off which isn't needed (the volvo loom is prewired for them)

On a completely separate note they've replaced the front (12k old) Conti Sport Contacts which were on when I saw it with Landsail Ls988 chinese efforts. This wasn't pointed out at collection. They claim this is because the originals were too worn to go out an approved car (which have to have 3.6mm of tread). They seem to expect me to suck them off with joy over the fact that they're new tyres rather than complain that they're shit and I'd rather have the half worn conti's back.

I've asked them to remove the sensors and refit volvo ones - I've also asked them to put equivalent performance tyres on. This doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but I'm not sure of my actual rights. I know theres a lot of knowledgeable folk on here who probably do.
Edit: I should add they haven't flatly refused to do any of the above, but considering the sales manager spent 20 minutes on the phone trying to tell me the tyres were equivalent quality I think I'm going to have to argue about it.

tldr; Main Dealer charged main dealer prices to fit chinese parts without telling me - can I demand proper ones.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 05 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I presume your wife/gf is going to drive it (parking sensors Shocked Laughing )

Other than that sarcastic comment, then yes, I would be miffed too, but what your rights are if you didn't stipulate what sensors you wanted fitting, i don't know.

As in, Heated grips on my Tiger from Triumph are £130. From Oxford £60. If my dealers says he will fit grips for £80, should I expect them to be Triumph ones without having it in writing.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm difficult one.

I thnk you should be able to say that they should refit the bumper properly, clearly, though fitting the correct sensors might be another issue.

To me, If youve bought a volvo, from a volvo dealer and asked them to fit volvo parking sensors then it is reasonable to assume they will do what is stated in the volvo manual. I would haazzard a guess if it doesnt you can return the car as not being fit for purpose.

With the tyres, well, if they have not told you about this previously then I think you could refuse to take the car as they have effectively changed the contract - they've changed the thing that you thought you were buying - though this might be difficult as trying explaining the advantages of a prt worn conti over a new lilong ditchfinder to a solicitor / court will prove very difficult.

They will also say that as you have taken the car you are obviously happy with the work - I know its no use now but if ever something happens, at a dealer like this just refuse to pay and refuse to take the car.

No help at all im afraid Neutral
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PostPosted: 06:48 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

owl10 wrote:
Hmm difficult one.

I thnk you should be able to say that they should refit the bumper properly, clearly, though fitting the correct sensors might be another issue.

To me, If youve bought a volvo, from a volvo dealer and asked them to fit volvo parking sensors then it is reasonable to assume they will do what is stated in the volvo manual. I would haazzard a guess if it doesnt you can return the car as not being fit for purpose.

With the tyres, well, if they have not told you about this previously then I think you could refuse to take the car as they have effectively changed the contract - they've changed the thing that you thought you were buying - though this might be difficult as trying explaining the advantages of a prt worn conti over a new lilong ditchfinder to a solicitor / court will prove very difficult.

They will also say that as you have taken the car you are obviously happy with the work - I know its no use now but if ever something happens, at a dealer like this just refuse to pay and refuse to take the car.

No help at all im afraid Neutral

Thats my problem, and I suspect I'm going to have to end up swallowing the tyres, Since I'd already inspected the car before I picked it up (it was supposed to just get serviced) I didn't go round it with a tooth comb like I should have.

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I presume your wife/gf is going to drive it (parking sensors Shocked Laughing )

Other than that sarcastic comment, then yes, I would be miffed too, but what your rights are if you didn't stipulate what sensors you wanted fitting, i don't know.

As in, Heated grips on my Tiger from Triumph are £130. From Oxford £60. If my dealers says he will fit grips for £80, should I expect them to be Triumph ones without having it in writing.

She will be occasionally, but we also have really awkward bays at work and the rear pillars are huge. But just to turn that on its head - can I be expected to know how much the sensor kit is? The local auto electrician will fit me a £15 ebay kit for £60, so its not like its cheap.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volvo main dealer... take it back they should do the stuff for free. Apart from the consumer points there's the image they're getting ie you are already disatisfied and posting here.

Ford tried it with my 10k Fiesta purchase for business, replaced front tyres with some Nylon type things, rears were a decent Turanza Bridgestone which I quite liked.

They also had put their name stickers in the window and on the number plates.

I refused to take delivery, rejected it there and then, until Bridgestones were fitted and the logo's removed as I am not being paid to advertise their dealership unless they would like to come to an arrangement say £500 for two years?

All was done and collected the following morning.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all honesty, I'd reject it.

Sounds like a shoddy outfit - go to a different dealer.

God knows what will happen if you have problems down the line if it's already this bad...
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is completely retarded.

So, with all the ahhh fuck we can't make any money as a car dealer any more because no one wants to buy cars, what we'll do is sell one and then piss the customer off so much he wants to send it back and probably won't ever buy from us again.... morons.

Send the thing back, tell them you want your money back or it fixing properly. If you weren't told by them or they have it in writing that they're changing the bits (especially the tyres) then they have no right to change them.

Yes I can understand their point in the tyre aspect, but they should be replaced with equivalents and you should 100% have been told they were going to do it.

Just kick up a fuss, these people need to learn that they can't get away with this sort of behaviour and it doesn't help them in the long term (ie going to back to buy another car).

Make sure you take pictures of the bumper, and also see if you can find pictures of the car with the old tyres on in case you need to fight it.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everyone, but I'd just like to say my continental sport contact 2 tyres only lasted 11k miles!!! Shocked

Seeing as they're a Volvo dealer you should just go back and say you want the colour coded official parking sensors as was agreed and paid for, you want the console controls to work properly and you want known brand tyres (maybe with a list like conti,michelin,etc). If they can't do this at their own cost you suggest the item you received is not the item you paid for and therefore you want a full refund.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
I agree with everyone, but I'd just like to say my continental sport contact 2 tyres only lasted 11k miles!!! Shocked


I dreamt of 11k miles on my old car. 4k was the max Laughing

OP, dealers (even main ones) do use 3rd party sensors. Honda and Mazda definitely do. They are usually fitted in 30 minutes and VERY cheap, but they charge you £200 for the kit. They sound like the same jobbies that you have.

Tyre wise, you can ask for them, all they would do is throw them as they can't go on an approved car, they would have to go on a trade car...and trade cars are being sold for cheap as chips in auctions anyway...so would keep their current shagged tyres.

I would go back to them personally and give them a massive moan.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the input, In a fit of amazingness, I rang up today to chase them, spoke to the dealer principle and within an hour had an appointment to take the car back for official sensors fitting, tyres replacing with sport contacts and all the trim refitting/replacing.

What will happen when they go to fit them and realise the volvo sensors are a couple of mil smaller than the chinese ones so it'll need a new bumper I don't know.

So, +1 for not getting too excited till you've spoken to the boss, and also to volvo, for including detailed descriptions of what their aftermarket kits do on their website. Its definitely going somewhere else for servicing though.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
Thanks for all the input, In a fit of amazingness, I rang up today to chase them, spoke to the dealer principle and within an hour had an appointment to take the car back for official sensors fitting, tyres replacing with sport contacts and all the trim refitting/replacing.

What will happen when they go to fit them and realise the volvo sensors are a couple of mil smaller than the chinese ones so it'll need a new bumper I don't know.

So, +1 for not getting too excited till you've spoken to the boss, and also to volvo, for including detailed descriptions of what their aftermarket kits do on their website. Its definitely going somewhere else for servicing though.


I think half the time they just try it on because they think the customer isn't going to notice or they won't bother fighting it.... when we do fight it, it looks like they aren't particularly bothered.

Good news, hope it all gets sorted.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
Thanks for all the input, In a fit of amazingness, I rang up today to chase them, spoke to the dealer principle and within an hour had an appointment to take the car back for official sensors fitting, tyres replacing with sport contacts and all the trim refitting/replacing.

What will happen when they go to fit them and realise the volvo sensors are a couple of mil smaller than the chinese ones so it'll need a new bumper I don't know.

So, +1 for not getting too excited till you've spoken to the boss, and also to volvo, for including detailed descriptions of what their aftermarket kits do on their website. Its definitely going somewhere else for servicing though.

Good result, the dealer principal is usually your best bet. They're the ones who can make a quick and decent decision. Anyone below that is too interested in their own departmental budget to spend money on rectification.

It's a moot point now you've got a result, but it would have been worth a chat with Volvo UK customer services if you didn't get the answer you wanted. I don't think that their approved used car scheme would allow the dealer to put on cheapo Chinese tyres or fake accessories, and I doubt Volvo would be impressed.

I used to be the used car controller at a BMW dealer, and I was only allowed to fit branded performance tyres. I was also only allowed to fit genuine accessories, because they can cause warranty nightmares if they're not genuine and something goes wrong. Volvo try and compete in the same market as BMW, so I'd have been surprised if their approved scheme wasn't the same.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 06 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JP7 wrote:
herulach wrote:
Thanks for all the input, In a fit of amazingness, I rang up today to chase them, spoke to the dealer principle and within an hour had an appointment to take the car back for official sensors fitting, tyres replacing with sport contacts and all the trim refitting/replacing.

What will happen when they go to fit them and realise the volvo sensors are a couple of mil smaller than the chinese ones so it'll need a new bumper I don't know.

So, +1 for not getting too excited till you've spoken to the boss, and also to volvo, for including detailed descriptions of what their aftermarket kits do on their website. Its definitely going somewhere else for servicing though.

Good result, the dealer principal is usually your best bet. They're the ones who can make a quick and decent decision. Anyone below that is too interested in their own departmental budget to spend money on rectification.

It's a moot point now you've got a result, but it would have been worth a chat with Volvo UK customer services if you didn't get the answer you wanted. I don't think that their approved used car scheme would allow the dealer to put on cheapo Chinese tyres or fake accessories, and I doubt Volvo would be impressed.

I used to be the used car controller at a BMW dealer, and I was only allowed to fit branded performance tyres. I was also only allowed to fit genuine accessories, because they can cause warranty nightmares if they're not genuine and something goes wrong. Volvo try and compete in the same market as BMW, so I'd have been surprised if their approved scheme wasn't the same.

I actually did give them a call, without mentioning dealer names just to see where I stood. Their policy is that they can't fit off brand parts (had a grovel around behind the boot lining this aft and it is literally a little box dangling out of the light cluster) and that tyres should be quality equivalent to ones they left the factory with, although not necessarily the same ones.

I'll see how they deal with replacing it as to whether I dob them in or not.
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