CCTV

[halucin8]

Looking for a bit of advice on CCTV.. Having problems with the kids in the area climbing my back fence and busting open my sheds and helping themselves, caught them on a number of occasions parents are useless don't give a damn what the kids are doing as long as they aren't bothering them.

Painted the top of the fence with anti vandal paint and nailed gripper rods round the top of my fence on my side, stuck up the necessary warning signs etc .. doesn't stop them..

Anyway I'm looking to get a CCTV camera put in looked at loads but tbh no idea what I'm looking at. Any recommendations or advice ??
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[cromwell]

Wire a battery up to some barbed wire around the top. Give a nice shock to the scummy scrotes.
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[cromwell]

Wire a battery up to some barbed wire around the top. Give a nice shock to the scummy scrotes.
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[J4mes]

No point in CCTV, if the parents don't care and the police aren't really able to do anything, nothing will happen.

Anti climb paint on the fence, and then plant something along the back fenceline like brambles or some other prickly plant.

Failing that, wait inside the shed. Then fuck them all up.

[Snodvan]

Depends what you want the CCTV to actually DO?

If you want it to be able to provide you with a picture record of who did what and when but AFTER the event then there are dinky cameras that contain an SD or similar card. These are activated by motion or IR. If you KNOW eg from damage etc, that some scrote has been over the wall then you just take out the SD card and see the pics on a computer. The output can be as pics or video depending on the camera and which option you select. If the camera is set where it will be triggered by people (moggies, washing on the line etc) other than the scrotes then you need to specify a system which will just go back to the beginning of the SD card once it is full. You may get this sort for £50-£100

If you want a system that gives motion or IR activated recording but also an alarm for when it is triggered then usually that costs more and is more tricky to set up. You will likely be up half the night looking at moggies on the wall. Often such a system will be linked to a PC (an old/ spare one will do) BUT that has to be left running 24/7. Now the cost is say £200

'Posh' PC based systems will allow you to access the PC record and/ or cameras when you are away from home - in theory even if you were on the beach in Teneriffe you could access via mobile phone. I have seen such a system work - once. Cost will now be £500 I guess

THINK what you want is the first step.


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[pepperami]

Catch one of them, then break his arms, legs, ankles wrists, ribs, jaw, teeth, fingers, toes, and elbows.
Then leave him where the others can find him as awarning.
Aledgedly!

Oh wait! that means YOU will get arrested and the police Will take an interest

Of course if when they climbed over your fence, they were faced with lots of old jagged metal and broken bottles lying on the ground, that would be sad .
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[Flatbadger]

Build a wall and top it with mortar, broken glass and rat's piss. If they're on the take then give them Weil's disease.

[alexknight200...]

Get yourself a dog. Failing that replace the anti vandal paint with dog crap. Won't stop them but they will think 'shit' i'm not going there again.
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[jeddy11]

I like the idea of coiled razor wire should see them off
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[Joncrete Cungle]

Plant a thorny dense barrier around your fence, have a look at https://www.hedging.co.uk/acatalog/securityhedging.html for ideas.

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[halucin8]

Some good ideas there, and some of which are very tempting, the police did try to do something caught one of the little darlings red handed. They prosecuted but the courts gave him far too lenient a sentence he had to go to weekly meetings with his mother and they wanted me to go with them. Told them no chance, as i was too busy being a parent to my own children and i thought it was a complete waste of time.

The kid is 12-13 and they have arrested him more than 20 times mostly for burglary but also he mugged 2 old ladies sadly the old ladies were too scared to go to court. His mother doesn't care she lets him do what he wants he speaks to her like she is nothing. He is totally out of control hes been expelled from every school around here and no school will take him, and he hangs around with another bunch of kids from a family whos mother is ex baghead her BF is a baghead currently in prison for burglary and shoplifting, theres like 13 kids in the family all different fathers and they dont care what they do.

Have to be careful what i put on my side of the fence as i have 2 little boys one who is autistic and one who climbs like a monkey, and not sure if its against the law to put up razor wire or such even on my side of the fence.

I have a spare PC so its not an issue, the garden is 12m long 20m wide. I have about £300-400 to spend on a system, i need something that i can go back to and see who it was. Need a camera that is going to be clear enough to see who is doing this, and be able to either print off pictures or copy files to give to the police.
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[shereen]

Be careful if you are putting gripper rods, barbed wire etc round your fencing. If the yob/chav/asbo kids get hurt breaking into your property you can be liable for their injuries.
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[halucin8]

Yes figured as much.. Duty of care to trespassers etc ... Police helped me fit the gripper rods so i'm sort of covered there as it would cause no lasting or permanent injury etc plus i put up the warning signs and if they want to prosecute then so be it..
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[halucin8]

[stinkwheel]

What's important with a CCTV system is that it is admissable as evidence.

So, if it overlooks anyone elses property or a public place, you need warning signs up at each entrance to the property, covert cameras are a no-go.

You also need a time and date stamp embedded in the image and you would need to keep the original image, as it was recorded, the entirety of which would need to be made available to the defence. You need to keep a log of when you checked the time and date stamp.

We fell foul of this at work. The boss caught an employee with her fingers in the till using a covert CCTV camera hidden in a mouse (it was in his private office where the staff are not normally allowed). Clear and identifiable images of her opening his drawer, taking bundles of £20 notes out and sticking them up her sleeve.

The police told him that he was totally within his rights to sack her on the spot but that the images would not be admissable in court because they were recorded covertly and had no time and date stamp.
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[halucin8]

My house backs onto a field, i only have a neighbour on one side and she has given me permission to put up the camera even if it looks into her property she gave me this in writing. I have no problem putting up CCTV warnings. So yes i would have to be careful about the public area outside my rear garden.
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[Joncrete Cungle]

[neatbik]

I tend to agree that CCTV might not be the most effective option - after all, you said yourself that the courts were too leniant on the little scrote.....

Little shits like that will never get the punishment they so badly need and deserve, there are too many Guardian reading bleeding heart liberals to ensure that.

If it were me, i would something thorny next to the fence, along with all the other stuff you have there. Maybe consider getting a dog?
Or what about Geese? I got attacked by some Geese once, was fucking terrifying!

I can imagine its very frustrating - After all, if you get physical then you are in serious trouble because legally they are just kids.
So maybe pay off some other local toerags to 'have a word..' or wait till they are classed as an adult and then go for it.

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[halucin8]

The weekly meetings i cant remember what they were called but basically they wanted me to go to these meetings and explain to him and his mother what effects this had on me and my kids .. best if i explain a little further .. because they broke into my shed that much i stopped putting things like my strimmer in there and kept them in the house .. and the little scrote bust open my patio doors and took it, we were home and in the next room so we caught him in the act and he ran threw the strimmer over the fence and ran for it .. daughter chased him and he threw the strimmer .. she picked it up and brought it back .. Neighbours saw him and all gave statements.

The PC who came knew him and had arrested him the day before, some kid had cut his grandmothers lawn and was in a rush to get to college so his grandmother said she would put the mower away, as she went to do it this kid came and wrestled her for the mower threatening to smash her head in if she didnt let go .. obviously she did ( shes about 70 ). Police go round to said scrotes house and theres his mother cutting her grass with the mower, claiming she "found it" in her garden that morning .. Old lady too scared to go to court. Its not the first old lady hes threatened like this another he threatened with a golf club..
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From what I gather there are other issues with CCTV apart from those flagged by others above about admissible as evidence.

The kit has to be very good, read expensive, for the quality to identify individuals to be good enough. A blurry image of someone in a hoody is normally what you get. The basic kit can tell you something has happened (and when_ but id is difficult. Also IR night time kit is also limited.

For night recording I did come across a PIR triggered light that also had a camera that recorded when triggered. Think it recorded to memory card. Not cheap though but I thought a good idea. Not sure about access to the card though and how much could be recorded/saved.
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