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 oldpink World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 15:27 - 22 Nov 2012 Post subject: is / was there life on Mars ?? well we may find out soon |
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What is the great Martian mystery finding?
| Quote: | So what has the NASA Mars rover Curiosity found that is so exciting that unnamed scientists at the agency are reporting it as 'earthshaking'? According to one named scientist at JPL, the Jet Propulsion Labs near Pasadena that built and operate the Curiosity probe, the finding will be 'one for the history books'. A big claim, but this scientist, Dr John Grotzinger, is keeping mum about what the finding actually is, save to say that it came from the rover's SAM (Sample Analysis at Mars) chemistry lab and will be revealed at a science conference on 3rd December.
No one outside NASA knows what the finding is and no one inside NASA is saying, so we can only speculate. The most obvious conclusion would be 'Curiosity has found life on Mars'. That would certainly be one for the history books, earthshaking indeed. But it seems unlikely. The rover is equipped to detect organic molecules, but remember the word 'organic' in a chemistry context does not mean 'alive' but merely 'contains carbon'.
Paraffin, petrol, polyester, propane and polythene are all organic but they are not alive. Curiosity is not equipped, as were the Viking landers which arrived 36 years ago with the sort of chemistry set needed to detect actual metabolising life-forms (a curious omission in my view and considering the tantalising ambiguity of the Viking results one that NASA has so far failed to satisfactorily explain). |
https://www.informationweek.com/government/information-management/mars-mystery-heres-what-we-know/240142491
and on quite a few other science related sites ____________________ I have become comfortably numb
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They always spout this shite to drum up interest, I think last time it was "scientists confirm that there might be, possibly, small chance, not really sure, but COULD be... that there was/is...water on mars....maybe....we don't really know, we'll need to send another robot up there, in about 25 years...at the cost of 3 trillion... to get a better idea of how maybe it might be, or have been there....possibly".
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 Rogerborg nimbA

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NASA can officially get fucked. Science by press release - or in this case, faux leak press teaser - is abhorrent. It's the worst of what the Far East does, spunking out fake results to get next quarter's funding.
It'll just be some rock that's likely to be formed under water, oooh, Mars had liquid water, stop the presses. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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[quote="Flatbadger"] | informationweek wrote: | Paraffin, petrol, polyester, propane and polythene are all organic but they are not alive. |
but all of these come from the decayed remains of living organism's
remember coal & oil come from decomposed carbon life (tree's etc)
| Quote: | Organic oils
Organic oils are produced in remarkable diversity by plants, animals, and other organisms through natural metabolic processes. Lipid is the scientific term for the fatty acids, steroids and similar chemicals often found in the oils produced by living things, while oil refers to an overall mixture of chemicals. Organic oils may also contain chemicals other than lipids, including proteins, waxes and alkaloids.
Lipids can be classified by the way that they are made by an organism, their chemical structure and their limited solubility in water compared to oils. They have a high carbon and hydrogen content and are considerably lacking in oxygen compared to other organic compounds and minerals; they tend to be relatively nonpolar molecules, but may include both polar and nonpolar regions as in the case of phospholipids and steroids.[6]
Mineral oils
Crude oil, or petroleum, and its refined components, collectively termed petrochemicals, are crucial resources in the modern economy. Crude oil originates from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil.[7] It is classified as a mineral oil because it does not have an organic origin on human timescales, but is instead obtained from rocks, underground traps, or sands. Mineral oil also refers to several specific distillates of crude oil. |
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I'm confident that there are other complex self replicating entities out there. So, where are they?
I expect that there's organic life, and there's whatever is keeping that organic life very quiet.
Personally I'd rather that we hushed up and didn't broadcast our presence to the galaxy. We're living on primo real estate, and we're both delicious and nutritious.
We're literally betting the species on the assumption that whatever is out there among the stars is benign, or sentient. That just beggars belief. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 142 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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