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PostPosted: 12:00 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Right Royal contradication Reply with quote

Somebody should make his mind up! Confused

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337994/Prince-Charles-fears-motorbike-loving-William-Harry.html

versus this, where it has been reported that Charles stated 'This helmet law law must at the very least be reformed to exempt certain riders'.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9648504/Prince-Charles-gets-on-his-bike-to-support-Poppy-Appeal.html

When pressed by journo's on just which riders should be exempt he replied 'anyone who don't want to wear the beastly things'
( is it just me or does that sound like our, possible, future king needs a grammar lesson?), adding 'the law requiring adults to wear helmets or be beheaded was truly appalling'.
When offered a lid for the photo shoot he dismissed the courtier with 'Take that bauble away from me'.
A Palace spokeman pressed for quote stated' Helmet laws suck, OK!'

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PostPosted: 12:13 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

"prince harry on his ducati 848 which has a top speed of 166mph" yet he's sat on what is clearly a triumph daytona 600 Laughing don't even need to be into bikes to read the big labels on the side!

and i'm sure that i've read somewhere that he rides a blackbird or did? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
"prince harry on his ducati 848 which has a top speed of 166mph" yet he's sat on what is clearly a triumph daytona 600 Laughing don't even need to be into bikes to read the big labels on the side!

and i'm sure that i've read somewhere that he rides a blackbird or did? Confused


As if the Daily Fail could be expected top get something right! Wink

Maybe Triumph have just bought Ducati and we've yet to hear about it. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love how they need to quote the top speeds of the bikes to make the public potato themselves.

Saw this comment and facepalmed hard.

'These death-traps should be banned outright. The amount of lives wasted and the cost of dealing with motorycle-related accidents is too great for society to bear. They are mostly play-things for middle aged men. They should grow up and stick to cars, or if they want to be on two wheels - a bicycle is much healthier and safer. Motorcycles - one of the most pointless items on this earth today (a bit like Harriet Harman in that respect).'

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of the machine, I wonder what daddy's reaction would be if said helmet law were to be repealed and Harry or Wills turned round and said 'I'm not wearing my helmet'.
I suppose it's ok for them as their heads are probably the body part least affected by a bash! Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Love how they need to quote the top speeds of the bikes to make the public potato themselves.

Saw this comment and facepalmed hard.

'These death-traps should be banned outright. The amount of lives wasted and the cost of dealing with motorycle-related accidents is too great for society to bear. They are mostly play-things for middle aged men. They should grow up and stick to cars, or if they want to be on two wheels - a bicycle is much healthier and safer. Motorcycles - one of the most pointless items on this earth today (a bit like Harriet Harman in that respect).'

Rolling Eyes


Well, I have to agree with them... About Harriet Harman. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The top speeds have nothing to do with the dangers at all, they go as fast as you make it! Your bike might be able to do 10000000 mph but you can still get knocked off at 30mph by a blind car driver Laughing

If top speed comes into it then why aren't there articles about clearly incompetent drivers getting things like BMW's which are restricted to 155mph? That's not exactly slow!
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
The top speeds have nothing to do with the dangers at all, they go as fast as you make it! Your bike might be able to do 10000000 mph but you can still get knocked off at 30mph by a blind car driver Laughing

If top speed comes into it then why aren't there articles about clearly incompetent drivers getting things like BMW's which are restricted to 155mph? That's not exactly slow!


I think this was Charles' point in the first link
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I mean though, he's saying he's bothered about blind drivers yet the daily mail make it seem like it's the bikers fault for having such high performance machines Laughing

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PostPosted: 12:48 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't give much credance to what the press say; even less how they choose to quote or misquote old Charlie.

Bloke, when listened to in full, does seem to have some pretty interesting and inteligent ideas about stuff; and seems a quite pragmatic chap, with some very practical as well as innovative ideas about things; but then the press get hold of it...

Seem to recall that a rather lengthy and very inteligent talk he gave on modern farming practices, and the influence of the large super-market chains, tended to be bad both for farming and the consumer, restricting choice and discouraging innovation or re-innovation, of 'old' farming techniques... which all made an awful lot of sense.... but comment about how super-markets only stock lamb, and how breeding sheep up to mutton, has many agricultural merits and environmental benefits, and how there were many traditional mutton dishes no one could make any more.... got translated to the tabloids as him going on some crazy crusade to take farming back three hundred years and make us all eat sheep!

They did a similar job on him over the talking to trees thing, I seem to recall!

As for contradictions... well ignoring any tabloid distortion; its a skew argument.

Having a 'liberal' attitude to motorcycle safety in general does not necesserily contradict having personal concerns for one individual motorcyclist!

I dont agree with the compulsary helmet laws either...... My eldest Lad on a motorbike scares the SHIT out of me! He's a complete LOON! Crashed more times than Alpha he has! Is that a contradiction? Is there any hypocracy there?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Love how they need to quote the top speeds of the bikes to make the public potato themselves.

Saw this comment and facepalmed hard.

'These death-traps should be banned outright. The amount of lives wasted and the cost of dealing with motorycle-related accidents is too great for society to bear. They are mostly play-things for middle aged men. They should grow up and stick to cars, or if they want to be on two wheels - a bicycle is much healthier and safer. Motorcycles - one of the most pointless items on this earth today (a bit like Harriet Harman in that respect).'

Rolling Eyes


Got to agree about Ms Harman, but otherwise I think bike accidents are so miniscule a cost that this bitch probably costs society more in the amount of rubbish she throws out.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the answer to "What bikes do the 2nd and 3rd in line to the throne currently ride?" is "Whatever they want."

That said, there's several pictures of them out and about in pedboi gear. Maybe they can't afford anything better, aw, bless.

Royals are forever patronising things - I wonder if either of them will ever get on board with MAG, BMF or a similar rabble.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
The top speeds have nothing to do with the dangers at all, they go as fast as you make it! Your bike might be able to do 10000000 mph but you can still get knocked off at 30mph by a blind car driver Laughing

If top speed comes into it then why aren't there articles about clearly incompetent drivers getting things like BMW's which are restricted to 155mph? That's not exactly slow!

... or drop it due to cold tyres and poor judgement. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Royals are forever patronising things - I wonder if either of them will ever get on board with MAG, BMF or a similar rabble.


When you say patronising do you mean Princess Diana stylee or 'going the whole hog' Prince Philip stylee? Laughing

Her Maj' did become a member of MAG earlier this year, not sure who paid for it mind or whether she's a patron or patronising?

Now here's an image - lizzie on the back of a Hardly Moovison behind an effing and blinding Philip, in a bra top and hot pants - get that out of your head Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:


Royals are forever patronising things - I wonder if either of them will ever get on board with MAG, BMF or a similar rabble.


When you say patronising do you mean Princess Diana stylee or 'going the whole hog' Prince Philip stylee? Laughing

Her Maj' did become a member of MAG earlier this year, not sure who paid for it mind or whether she's a patron or patronising?

Now here's an image - lizzie on the back of a Hardly Moovison behind an effing and blinding Philip, in a bra top and hot pants - get that out of your head Laughing


Prince Philip in a bra and hot pants.... ugh.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Royals are forever patronising things - I wonder if either of them will ever get on board with MAG, BMF or a similar rabble.

C'mon, they're not that patronising!

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As for the OP:
First off, you've got reports from two different newspapers, when one often seems to manage to contradict it's self in the same day's paper.
Secondly, a lot of people don't believe that helmets have as direct an effect on 'safety' as you are led to believe.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I dont agree with the compulsary helmet laws either...... My eldest Lad on a motorbike scares the SHIT out of me! He's a complete LOON! Crashed more times than Alpha he has! Is that a contradiction? Is there any hypocracy there?


I feel the same way about cannabis laws. They should all be revoked, pull the rug out from under the mafia and cartels. But catch one of my kids with a spliff? Different story.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:05 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I dont agree with the compulsary helmet laws either...... My eldest Lad on a motorbike scares the SHIT out of me! He's a complete LOON! Crashed more times than Alpha he has! Is that a contradiction? Is there any hypocracy there?


possibly, and that's probably why my parents wouldn't let me buy a bike when I was 17, despite coming home from the hospital where I was born in the side-car of my Dad's Bonneville.
Not sure I'd let my lad have a bike in 5 years time either... Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Right Royal contradication Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:

All I got from that is parent concerned for his sons when riding because cars don't see bikes. Perfectly natural and honest IMO. Nothing wrong with that.

Couldn't get 2nd link and helmets, all about poppy appeal instead.

Also 1st link led me to believe William and Harry, sponsored by Ducati. You'd think a British firm, let's call them Triumph, would have stepped up and offered them something from their range. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

First off, you've got reports from two different newspapers, when one often seems to manage to contradict it's self in the same day's paper.
Secondly, a lot of people don't believe that helmets have as direct an effect on 'safety' as you are led to believe.


I appreciate that papers are not usually the most accurate of information providers, unless it suits them.
I should also have mentioned that the block of text I included was from this months 'the Road' (MAG's magazine) and was from a 'first hand source'. So everything could just be made up or edited to suit each issues own agenda.

I do not believe that the wearing of helmets have a direct effect upon safety, I hate wearing them myself and do believe that as an adult I should have the right to attire myself as I please when I ride. With my history I know that I'd be bloody stupid to venture out without one though although, despite numerous tarmac-eating incidents, there has only ever been light damage to the shell in two of those incidents I still wouldn't much have fancied gravel rash on my chin - which has a lot less damage resistance than a helmet!

The first article represents, the understandable, concerns that any parent would have for their child. Charles' concerns didn't seem to be about their riding ability but about implications that other road users may have on his son's safety.
They are all adults and, as such, should be old enough to understand the implications accidents may have if they haven't decided to go ATGATT.

Helmet laws have now been in place for some time, as have seat belt laws which I have even more resentment for, I doubt if there would ever be enough strength of opinion to get either repealed and whilst Charles has no power when it comes to making legislation I think our governmental system still gets Royal assent when legislation is passed - maybe he should have just kept his thoughts to himself?
The title of the thread may have been a little strong but would you have bothered to look if it was 'concerned parent doesn't like helmets'? Smile
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
I dont agree with the compulsary helmet laws either...... My eldest Lad on a motorbike scares the SHIT out of me! He's a complete LOON! Crashed more times than Alpha he has! Is that a contradiction? Is there any hypocracy there?


possibly, and that's probably why my parents wouldn't let me buy a bike when I was 17, despite coming home from the hospital where I was born in the side-car of my Dad's Bonneville.
Not sure I'd let my lad have a bike in 5 years time either... Thinking


If my lad wanted a bike when he's older i'd have no issue with him getting on 2 wheels, as long as he grows up sensible (he's only 5 atm) His mam might say otherwise though
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