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PostPosted: 12:41 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Suzuki GS850GZ. Thoughts? Reply with quote

A good mate of mine has got his DAS booked in and is after a cheap reliable first bike that won't complain too much about being ridden to Belgium and back on a regular basis (his other half lives there).

We've spotted a 1983 GS850GZ with 51,000 miles on the clock but in regular use and from the photos it looks pretty clean.

I would hope that the electrical system has been sorted 30 years later but I'll look carefully for any evidence of bodging. Anything to watch out for, other than the usual odd engine noises and knackered bearings?
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exhaust rot, and electrical failure. Those are the main things I'd expect. Electrical failure's fixable, though, and there are replacement exhaust systems available which sound awesome. I'm told that they start to suffer from a bit of excess camshaft movement around the 60K mark, but I have no idea as to the validity of that statement, since I'm the only person I know that actually still has a bike of this series.

If you want a hand looking at it, I'm around, and know the insides of my GS650 far too well by now Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exhaust rot, and electrical failure. Those are the main things I'd expect. Electrical failure's fixable, though, and there are replacement exhaust systems available which sound awesome. I'm told that they start to suffer from a bit of excess camshaft movement around the 60K mark, but I have no idea as to the validity of that statement, since I'm the only person I know that actually still has a bike of this series.

If you want a hand looking at it, I'm around, and know the insides of my GS650 far too well by now Laughing

The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.

Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.

Thanks for the offer of help. I hope we don't need it Razz
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Suzuki GS850GZ. Thoughts? Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
A good mate of mine has got his DAS booked in and is after a cheap reliable first bike that won't complain too much about being ridden to Belgium and back on a regular basis (his other half lives there).

We've spotted a 1983 GS850GZ with 51,000 miles on the clock but in regular use and from the photos it looks pretty clean.


I wouldn't. Personally.

What he would probably want is a GT550. Bulletproof given the mileage I've seen some at!

You'll be hard pressed finding cheap + reliable + happy to do massive miles.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Suzuki GS850GZ. Thoughts? Reply with quote

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beechbone wrote:
A good mate of mine has got his DAS booked in and is after a cheap reliable first bike that won't complain too much about being ridden to Belgium and back on a regular basis (his other half lives there).

We've spotted a 1983 GS850GZ with 51,000 miles on the clock but in regular use and from the photos it looks pretty clean.


I wouldn't. Personally.

What he would probably want is a GT550. Bulletproof given the mileage I've seen some at!

You'll be hard pressed finding cheap + reliable + happy to do massive miles.


He knows his ~£500 budget isn't going to get anything amazing and this bike is pretty much a stopgap until he has more cash. If it is anything other than an astounding example I'll give it a miss.

Other options are things like Divvies and NTV650s which are probably a better choice. But he loves big comfy retro bikes and this is admittedly more of a heart than head choice for him.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.

Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.

Thanks for the offer of help. I hope we don't need it Razz

Ah, I've got that exhaust: yes, it's a full system and it'll sound the tits. If it picks up and runs without hassle, then the electrics are likely to be fine. The biggest bugbear I've faced has been poor earth continuity more than anything. They do like to sound as if they're all over the place if the carbs aren't properly balanced, too, so don't be too put off by a lumpy idle.

Paddy - the GS range is known for being able to do equally big miles, although parts a bit pricier than the Kwak GT. The 850 shouldn't be a problem to find bits for, though, and it'll have more grunt than the GT does by a fair old margin. I know I'd prefer to do UK -> Belgium on a larger bike, if I had the choice.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
beechbone wrote:
The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.

Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.

Thanks for the offer of help. I hope we don't need it Razz

Ah, I've got that exhaust: yes, it's a full system and it'll sound the tits. If it picks up and runs without hassle, then the electrics are likely to be fine. The biggest bugbear I've faced has been poor earth continuity more than anything. They do like to sound as if they're all over the place if the carbs aren't properly balanced, too, so don't be too put off by a lumpy idle.

Paddy - the GS range is known for being able to do equally big miles, although parts a bit pricier than the Kwak GT. The 850 shouldn't be a problem to find bits for, though, and it'll have more grunt than the GT does by a fair old margin. I know I'd prefer to do UK -> Belgium on a larger bike, if I had the choice.


It's about 3 hours each side of the channel for where he's going so not exactly huge mileage but enough to want something comfy for. He's also 6ft4 and pretty broad so he's not exactly built for smaller bikes.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comfy is a good word for the GS. It's like a turbine-powered sofa. Pretty much the only naked where I've been actually comfortable doing ~ton speeds for any length of time.

For the money, I'd go for it, no question.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Comfy is a good word for the GS. It's like a turbine-powered sofa. Pretty much the only naked where I've been actually comfortable doing ~ton speeds for any length of time.

For the money, I'd go for it, no question.

Without seeing the ad. What would you price it at, if all seemed in good condition?
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've seen good 650s going for £1600 before now, and although the 850s come up a bit cheaper (thanks to being a bit more common), I'd expect to be looking at around £800-1000, depending on condition and how original it was. Has the seller replaced the shocks at all? I'd imagine that they're pretty damn tired by now, if they're original.

There's some retard trying to sell a butchered 850 on eBay at the moment, listed as a "lowrider custom", or as I like to think of it, "Fritzl'd frankenbike". He's asking for a grand, so if your mate's looking at a £500 price tag, it's definitely a good deal; on the assumption that everything's sound, it's a winner.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Well, I've seen good 650s going for £1600 before now, and although the 850s come up a bit cheaper (thanks to being a bit more common), I'd expect to be looking at around £800-1000, depending on condition and how original it was. Has the seller replaced the shocks at all? I'd imagine that they're pretty damn tired by now, if they're original.

There's some retard trying to sell a butchered 850 on eBay at the moment, listed as a "lowrider custom", or as I like to think of it, "Fritzl'd frankenbike". He's asking for a grand, so if your mate's looking at a £500 price tag, it's definitely a good deal; on the assumption that everything's sound, it's a winner.

Sweet, thanks. It's advertised for £700 and this is a bit of a stretch for his budget but I think it has a lot of potential for the money.

I don't know about the shocks but will have a bounce on the test ride to find out.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I see your point. I just wouldn't trust anything that was of that vintage. Maybe just my perception of older electrics and stuff Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chicken Razz

:edit: beechbone - the Hagon shocks are very good, if the ones that are on there need replacing. I can't remember how much they are off the top of my head. Wemoto do pattern ones for ~£80, if money's tight, but it's worth shelling out for the Hagons if he can afford it.

Any chance of posting a few photos?
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment.

But since this is BCF, why stop there? Very Happy WeMoto have plenty of parts, OK, but a 30 year old, quarter ton (dry) Suzuki would seem to be getting more into concourse than workhorse territory.

Just off the top of my head, I'd be thinking shaftie: Dullsville, Divvy 900, BMWs. Given what he'll be spunking on fuel and maintenance, cheaping out on the bike would be a false economy.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment.

But since this is BCF, why stop there? Very Happy WeMoto have plenty of parts, OK, but a 30 year old, quarter ton (dry) Suzuki would seem to be getting more into concourse than workhorse territory.

Just off the top of my head, I'd be thinking shaftie: Dullsville, Divvy 900, BMWs. Given what he'll be spunking on fuel and maintenance, cheaping out on the bike would be a false economy.

As I have said it is a stopgap. They reportedly do about 50mpg so fuel shouldn't be too bad. He won't be commuting on it or anything so it will simply be a fun bike and for popping over to belgium every couple of weeks when the weather is reasonable.

Honestly...if the engine sounds good and it is mechanically good condition I think it is probably pretty good for the job. Even only as a temporary solution until he has a bit more for something like a Divvy 900.

I do get what you're saying, it is a pretty damn old bike. But it all depends on how well it has been taken care of and how much work has been done to it as to whether it is a decent bike or not. I'll find that out tonight when I go and have a look.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Chicken Razz

:edit: beechbone - the Hagon shocks are very good, if the ones that are on there need replacing. I can't remember how much they are off the top of my head. Wemoto do pattern ones for ~£80, if money's tight, but it's worth shelling out for the Hagons if he can afford it.

Any chance of posting a few photos?


Thanks. Here is the advert. Already set up a time to go and see it tonight so I don't think anyone else will get there first at this point Razz

https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/gs850-shaft-drive-modern-classic/1006649985#gallery-item-full-1
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's in good nick, do it, they're bombproof.

Bit on the lardy side, but if it's for motorway cruising, bung a screen on it and you're laughing.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
If it's in good nick, do it, they're bombproof.

Bit on the lardy side, but if it's for motorway cruising, bung a screen on it and you're laughing.

Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job Smile
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment.
I thought that too, when I first got the 650 running. however, it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden, even at motorway speeds.

I see that the bike's still got the original seat. Check the state of the seat pan; they're prone to rusting like buggery. They're not impossible to replace, but it won't be on the cheap, I promise you.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
Shaft wrote:
If it's in good nick, do it, they're bombproof.

Bit on the lardy side, but if it's for motorway cruising, bung a screen on it and you're laughing.

Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job Smile


And that's pretty much what you're buying, very popular with long distance couriers back in the day (you'll see one on the list in my profile) keep the oil fresh and they're as reliable as night following day.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:

Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job Smile


It is that, but a big heavy sofa. Shaft drive too. Mate of mine once crashed one into a transit van and the van definately came off worst.

Also in the lardmaster speedbarge category is the CB1000F and any K-series BMW.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
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Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job Smile


And that's pretty much what you're buying, very popular with long distance couriers back in the day (you'll see one on the list in my profile) keep the oil fresh and they're as reliable as night following day.


What would you say is a good oil/filter change interval for these bikes?
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, I tend to go with every 2K on most of the bikes I've owned, although I've been a bit more frequent with my GS, due to it having been laid up for so long.

Google BassCliff GS850 - the guy's got a ton of information about maintenance and so forth, pertaining to these bikes. It's also worth having a look at www.thegsresources.com - there's a fairly active forum on there; it's not as lively as BCF, and people are generally a bit softer in their tone, but it's a goldmine of information.

Ask the seller when he last did the diff oil, too - that should be every 15k, IIRC.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job Smile


It is that, but a big heavy sofa. Shaft drive too. Mate of mine once crashed one into a transit van and the van definately came off worst.

Also in the lardmaster speedbarge category is the CB1000F and any K-series BMW.

Yeah K series beamers were on my list of potential bikes for him. However someone I know had to change a clutch on his not so long ago and being essentially a car engine made it a bloody massive job.

The CB1000 is certainly an option although far from common.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oi, monkeynuts, look at this one, and it's only 15 miles away.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CBR1000F-L-1990-/281049486939?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item416fdad65b
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