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TheSmiler
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Illegal to ride with half a mudguard ? Reply with quote
Where the tape is closest to the right hand side it cracked a few months ago, doesn't affect riding (as far as I'm aware). However I've just been messing around with the headlight (misalignment and earth problem with right hand side indicators) and noticed the mudguard is almost hanging off.

Was thinking about just pulling it off save it falling off whilst riding anyone know if this would be illegal Question

(I know I can get them off ebay like this one below however I was going to save getting one till I sold the bike/mot'd it. However if it has to be purchased now I'll get it now next time I get funds)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CG125-CG-125-FRONT-MUDGUARD-RED-/400369311255?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item5d37dede17


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PostPosted: 10:45 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
You do not need mudguards at all.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is your bike enormous or is that a tiny tin of WD40?

I'd take the mudguard off and fibreglass the inside, fill the outside, rub it back and spray it up. Couple of hours' work there.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You’ve actually more chance of failing an MOT ‘With’ a front mudguard than without one, because it isn’t actually part of the MOT test.

To quote VOSA:-
MOT guidelines on Motorcycle Front Mudguards.
“The mudguard is not a tested item, as part of the MOT test. Its condition size and position would have no bearing on the test, unless a mudguard, if fitted, adversely affected the rotation of the front wheel”

This goes back to what I’ve said in the first issue, so just to recap, the MOT test is only a periodic safety check to identify worn or defective parts, it doesn’t check whether the bike is actually legal to ride on the road.

However, technically you 'could' still fail an MOT without one, although the guard itself isn't part of the inspection, the roadtest is still an optional part of the MOT if the inspector chooses to use it, if the vehicle isn't road legal then he or she won't be able to complete the inspection and it'll fail in that instance. It won't fail on the lack of a mudguard it'll fail as the inspection wasn't completed.

Mudguards are required to pass the MSVA.

Ok, so what does the rule book say, and are they required?…..yep I’m afraid so.
To quote The DfT:-
“Motorcycle mudguard requirements are contained in Regulation 63 of “The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (SI 1986/1078)” as amended. It states that, motorcycles are required to have mudguards fitted which catch, so far as practicable, mud or water thrown up by the rotation of its wheels” So we’ve established that you’ll need a front mudguard, but how much tyre does it need to cover? Well here, we do have some ‘leeway’ because there isn’t any actual regulation that covers a mudguards size, other than being ‘practicable’ So I asked the local Constabulary how they enforce the C&U’s Regulation 63 on the road, to quote the Road Traffic Policing Unit:-

“They are legally required. With regards to size, I have looked everywhere that I can think of to find the answer but have failed, so there are obviously no guidelines available. My only comment would be that
they should not constitute any ‘dangerous parts’, e.g. sharp protruding edges, etc, that may cause injury to a pedestrian in a collision”

So there you go, a front guard is a legal requirement, but there are no dimensional requirements, if its checked for size it’ll be down to the discretion of who ever checks it and whether it could be considered ‘practicable’ or not. The full regulations are below.

Regulation 63 of “The Road Vehicles
(Construction and Use) Regulations
1986 (SI 1986/1078)” as amended.
Provides for the fitting of wings or
mudguards to vehicles to prevent mud or
water being thrown up by the wheels or
tracks.
63(1) This regulation applies to:
(a) invalid carriages;
(b) heavy motor cars, motor cars and
motor cycles, not being agricultural motor
vehicles or pedestrian controlled vehicles;
(c) agricultural motor vehicles driven at
more than 20 mph; and
(d) trailers, unless exempted by paragraph
(4).
63(2) Every vehicle to which this regulation
applies shall be equipped with wings or
other similar fittings to catch, so far as
practicable, mud or water thrown up by the
rotation of its wheels or tracks, unless
provided for in paragraphs (3) and (5).
63(3) The requirements specified in
paragraph (2) apply, in the case of a trailer
with more than two wheels, only in respect
of the rearmost two wheels.
63(4) Those requirements do not apply in
respect of:
(a) a works truck;
(b) a living van;
(c) a water cart;
(d) an agricultural trailer drawn by a motor
vehicle which is not driven at a speed in
excess of 20 mph;
(e) an agricultural trailed appliance;
(f) an agricultural trailed appliance
conveyor;
(g) a broken down vehicle;
(h) a heavy motor car, motor car or trailer
in an unfinished condition which is
proceeding to a workshop for completion;
(i) a trailer used for or in connection with
the carriage of round timber and the rear
wheels of any heavy motor car or motor
car drawing a semi-trailer so used; or
(j) a trailer drawn by a motor vehicle the
maximum speed
63(5) Instead of complying with paragraph
2) a vehicle may comply with Community
Directive 78/549.


Stolen from this thread...


The TL;DR version is that unless the rules have drastically changed since 2010, you'll be allright as long as you have some mudguard on the front, and it's not sharp or sticking out in a way where it could impale pedestrians. Looking at the photo I think you'd be allright riding like that.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
My cbr hack never had one Laughing

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Only a problem at low speed with surface water as it tends to chuck it up on your lap Cool
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
You need something between the forks to help stop them twisting.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
No mudguard on my ZZR6, not a problem.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm sure I read you need a mudguard to pass MOT
Probably bullshit though Thumbs Up

I saw it on a project thread where come guy cut his up
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wasn't that because he had sharp edges?
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the replies everyone, feel safer with one on there, just going snap the end of and file down the edge for now though (it still holds the cables which is the main part) now I know I'm not going get done for it.


BLUEX5 wrote:
FFS Smiler just fix your mudguard or get another one Evil or Very Mad


Oh chill blue A stupid question a day hopefully keeps warped away.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
As above no mud guard needed.£10 quid to fix or £25 for a new.no competition save the £15 towards test or fuel Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
sidewinder wrote:
As above no mud guard needed.£10 quid to fix or £25 for a new.no competition save the £15 towards test or fuel Thumbs Up


Yeah really don't think that can happen now not where it has cracked anyway, be a waste of time IMO now. The part beneath the plastic is metal.

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PostPosted: 12:26 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Take the mudguard off and MOT it and stick it back on if you're getting covered in road shite.

I MOTd my bike the other day and while it failed for several other reasons, a lack of mudguard was not one of them.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
moppy wrote:
Take the mudguard off and MOT it and stick it back on if you're getting covered in road shite.

I MOTd my bike the other day and while it failed for several other reasons, a lack of mudguard was not one of them.


Luckily tax and insurance are due at the same time (2 days apart) in July so safe for now but thanks for the advice.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
BLUEX5 wrote:
Note that i've had bikes fail the MOT in the past for not having a fork brace.


Don't think the CG125 has ever had one to be honest. Can't fail for not having something it wasn't made with hopefully.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:
BLUEX5 wrote:
Note that i've had bikes fail the MOT in the past for not having a fork brace.


Don't think the CG125 has ever had one to be honest. Can't fail for not having something it wasn't made with hopefully.

The mudguard acts as a fork brace I think he was getting at
Should be fine like that I imagine, the important bits are there Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
the metal bit is the brace Thumbs Up Rolling Eyes

Which is part of the mudguard rather than seperately attaching to the forks

So the mudguard as a unit acts as a brace right...seems legit to me Wink
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
My ZZR mudguard also had the metal bit, but again, did not fail for no mudguard.
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File both sides down drill holes in both sides and stich them together with cable ties, after this put a bit more red tape over the top if it bothers you
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BLUEX5 wrote:
Note that i've had bikes fail the MOT in the past for not having a fork brace.


Load of bollocks, there is no need for a motorcycle to have a fork brace either for the MOT or legally on the road. They've already got two point fixing with the top and bottom yokes an ABS plastic mudguard with a bit of thin metal plate fixing behind a few inches down the forks as a lot of bikes have would never be considered a brace.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I ran without one for ages, but I eventually got pissed off with the front wheel flinging everything at me, out in rain and would end up with a tyre width mudspray down some of me.
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