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 positron Two Stroke Sniffer
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 Posted: 12:54 - 26 Oct 2012 Post subject: New Honda CBR500, CB500 and CB500X |
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They certainly look interesting, just wish there was some more info on them  |
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Well, the leaked info so far is like this:
- 470cc liquid-cooled, parallel-twin
- Six-speed manual
- 46.9bhp
- 30lb/ft of torque
- 401lbs (dry)/430lbs (wet)
- 105mph top speed
- 31-inch seat height
- 120/70-17 (front)/160-60-17 (rear)
Basically a bigger version of the CBR250R - I hope it also means cheap and good mpg!
Source: https://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/10/meet-the-cbr500-family/ |
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Ahh. So they "accidentally" got seen by MCN did they?
I have a mate who worked at triumps who told me that they used to prep a bike to the extent of getting one of the apprentices to cut the nibs off the tyres then wheel it out of the van somewhere out of the way (with good lighting and a nice backdrop) at a motorway services in the wee small hours.
MCN would then receive an "anonymous" phone call later in the day saying someone had seen a strange looking Triumph.
I'm looking for how they are in any way better than the old CB500...
Weight: 12kg heavier
Power: 11bhp less
Top speed: 15mph slower
Torque: The same
Nope. Not selling it to me so far. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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I'm liking the style of that CBR500  |
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I can't be the only one that's still getting annoyed about how anything with plastic on is having a prosthetic 'R' appended to it.
Quite aside from the fact that it's heavier, slower, distinctly more expensive, and not staggeringly pretty, I'm failing to see what these bikes do that the NC700 doesn't already do fairly well, and the current CB500 does even better. ____________________ '10 SV650SF, '83 GS650GT (it lives!), Questionable DIY dash project, 3D Printer project, Lasercutter project |
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Can I just add, those specs were leaked weeks or even months ago - when no one, not even the "most reliable insider"s didn't predict three versions of the 500. They were all talking at most two.
So while the base platform is all the same, Honda might have different tweaks on each model, and perhaps different weight/other figures.
Fingers crossed but it's all good news anyway - more bikes = more competition = more choice & more toys!  |
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 chris-red Have you considered a TDM?

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180kg dry for a 500 twin?
Fuck off Honda.
That's only 10kg lighter than my TDM ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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| nowhere.elysium wrote: | I'm failing to see what these bikes do that the NC700 doesn't already do fairly well, and the current CB500 does even better. |
Bingo. How are they going to market this against their own bike, to do exactly the same job, without admitting that one of them is the wrong bike for that job?
Weight? Water cooling, and that "600" rubber won't be helping (old 500s were 110 / 130). It'll be built to absolutely minimise manufacturing costs. Cheap and chunky steel, big sloppy welds (not to 4 thou...) and shave 5 minutes off the production time rather than 5kg off the weight.
The paper spec is essentially a GS500, the budget choice of the old "500"s. Still, like the GS500, it looks pretty enough, so I guess whether it sells will come down to cost.
Don't get me wrong, I quite like the idea of a modern "do anything" 500, and I applaud them for doing it. Sticker it for under £5K with ABS, fuel economy that's clearly better than the 60mpg my GPZ500 returns, and something that could charitably be described as a powerband, and I might - might - take a look at it.
But if they do that, they'll only be undercutting their own NC700, which is already pretty cheap and selling well enough. I can see the sense in other manufacturers releasing this bike, but Honda? Can't see why they'd pull a Suzuki and compete against their own bikes.
[UPDATE] Just realised that the "leaked" shots hide the nekkid one at the back. Poor, sad thing, everybody will want the plastic one or the beaky one.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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NOT THIS crap AGAIN. I don't get it, Japanese motorcycles were so cool, what happened to them that their today goals are only EURO 3 and low budget.
I want a proper in-line four, 250-500cc with twin disc brakes on front with fully adjustable suspension and I want it now.
I do not want to offend anyone, but a in-line 500cc twin-cylinder sports bike is a joke, in my humble opinion. I find 20yrs old 250cc in-line 4 more attractive than those eco friendly/modern things, even if that 20yrs old bike would need some special care in the garage once in a while. I just want back those bikes where R meant something
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 22 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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