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PostPosted: 10:57 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Lights and Daytime MOT Reply with quote

With day time mot what's it say on the cert? Can you fit a light at home later And ride at night with no problems/retest?
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

just guessing here, but i would assume the mot would need to be retaken regardless
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it says anything; however, you must also remove the switches , I believe.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It is an odd one.

There is no specific requirement for the switches to be removed, but the way to avoid the need for the lights is to have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked. The MOT tester could get strict with that (ie, if the switches are there it could be argued it isn't permanent).

If you do get a bike through the MOT without the lights then it is just an advisory on the MOT. Don't think this would prevent you from then just fitting lights and riding it after dark (no more that getting an advisory for tyres near the legal limit would mean you would need a fresh MOT when you fitted new tyres).

However whether it has an MOT or not won't stop you getting done for C&U offences related to the lights.

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PostPosted: 13:14 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a daylight MOT you dont need any lights obviously.

You also dont need a brake light to past the test which in my opinion is dangerous.

I fitted lights to my daylight MOT bike which currently still has a daylight MOT, and does have an advisory on the certificate. I fitted the lights in case i got caught out and needed lights to get home because it got dark.

If the police pull you over i think you should have a full MOT to be driving at night as the lights you have fitted need to be tested by the MOT tester to confirm they are satisfactory.
So to ride at night you need a full MOT which would require lights front and rear as well as fitting a rear brake light switch, rear brake light and all the other bits and bobs required.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the problem that on the gasgas the kill switch and horn are on the same switch gear as the lights.
The mot guy whos going to day-light mot it for me told me to either just tape up the switches and lights or remove the front light.

But i'll be sticking the front light back on after the mot.

Have a chat to a decent mot guy who knows about it first.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Lights and Daytime MOT Reply with quote

DMCpro wrote:
With day time mot what's it say on the cert? Can you fit a light at home later And ride at night with no problems/retest?
Why would you not make allowances for it and avoid getting caught out? Unless you make a habit of playing 'the bad-ass over there'?

Kickstart wrote:

There is no specific requirement for the switches to be removed, but the way to avoid the need for the lights is to have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked. The MOT tester could get strict with that (ie, if the switches are there it could be argued it isn't permanent).

If you do get a bike through the MOT without the lights then it is just an advisory on the MOT. Don't think this would prevent you from then just fitting lights and riding it after dark (no more that getting an advisory for tyres near the legal limit would mean you would need a fresh MOT when you fitted new tyres).
Keith
Does it not come under 'if fitted must be working'?

And surely if you get a Daylight done then change parts later (to this legal extent) it voids the MOT 'cos it isn't 'as tested'?
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't void the MOT as the MOT is just a standard test. There is no legal requirement (pre-DRL) to have lights fitted to the bike other than indicators; however, I do believe it is a case of if fitted it must be working, including switches.

There is no retest if fitting lights afterwards as far as I know.

I think it is like a car test and spare tyres. If fitted it must be legal, if not it is not tested. You can then put a spare tyre in later without retesting.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to drive a bike I'm restoring but havent completed the electrics/battery/alternator restoration yet this is why I ask thanks for the replies so far
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Lights and Daytime MOT Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Does it not come under 'if fitted must be working'?


Not sure. Same for it being permanently disconnected. Daytime MOT is a fudge hence you are at the mercy of that particular MOT tester.

st3v3 wrote:
And surely if you get a Daylight done then change parts later (to this legal extent) it voids the MOT 'cos it isn't 'as tested'?


Don't think so, just like putting a noisy exhaust on the bike or Cimbians suggestion of like a car spare tyre.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:27 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about on my XR250?

I have indicator switches but no indicators, speedo in KMH and no chain guard on top, but one slung underneath.

Are any of these things checked in an MOT?

I bought it with 11 and a half months MOT on it from down south.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Indicators depend on the age of the bike. They are compulsory since the mid 1980s unless you have no lights. There is also an exemption for off road bikes, where off roadi motor bicycles are constructed or adapted primarily for use off road (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).

Speedo is not an MOT point. Chain guard isn't (from memory) but if fitted must be secure.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:38 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Keith.most helpful.

Yeah it's primarily used off road, and has knobbly tyres on it anyway.

I stuck a mirror on it, just because, but it probably won't last me long. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

and whats the deal with tyres for mx bikes? do they need the famous "MST" written on the side? can I just get a tyre pen and write it on the side??
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PostPosted: 03:49 - 28 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
There is no legal requirement (pre-DRL) to have lights fitted to the bike other than indicators;
I thought the only 'MUST' with such stuff was that a rear reflector MUST be fitted? Hence the highway code covering hand signals for motorcycles, even with current revisions.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 28 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
I thought the only 'MUST' with such stuff was that a rear reflector MUST be fitted? Hence the highway code covering hand signals for motorcycles, even with current revisions.


Rear reflectors are only compulsory if you have a front or rear position light (rear position light is the one that makes most lights compulsory and which has no exemption)

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:32 - 28 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Chain guard isn't (from memory) but if fitted must be secure.


Yessum. My CG went through its MOT sans-chain-guard and it was just flagged as an advisory. Thumbs Up

I have to say, I do find it bizarre that a 'daylight MOT' is even a thing. I wouldn't have thought it'd have lasted five minutes with all the other 'tighening up' that the government are doing with vehicle safety. What's classified as non-daylight? When the sun goes down? When street lights come on? When it's a bit gloomy and rainy and if you had lights you'd have them on? Seems like a massive grey area, excusing the pun.
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