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PostPosted: 18:59 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Working out CC of your bike Reply with quote

Just going to post a few Formulae that people may find interesting or even useful Idea

Hope a few people maybe find this helpful or even interesting please pm if ive made any mistakes or feel free to post your own formulae

Thanks!



Arrow Working out the volume of a cylinder

Arrow Formula - H(height) x R(radius) x R(radius) x Pi(3.14)

Height is simply the height of the cylinder from BDC to TDC (Top Dead Centre and Bottom Dead Centre

Radius is found by measuring the diameter of the cylinder and simply halving it

Arrow Example:

ZXR400- Diameter or Bore =57mm Height or Stroke =39mm

PLEASE NOTE Exclamation Engines are measured in CC3 (centimetres cubed) not MMC (millimetres cubed) so always convert to CM before starting any formula's

So take the formula input our measurements and get -

3.9 x 2.85 x 2.85 x 3.14 = 99.46135

The 2.85 comes from the diameter or bore which is 57mm converted to 5.7cm then divided by two as we need radius not diameter


Arrow Working out the CC of a engine

Arrow Formula - B x B x 0.7845 x S x N

B is Bore or Diameter of the cylinder
0.7845 is a constant and is not change regardless of bike or size.
S is stroke or height of cylinder
N is Number of cylinders

Arrow Example:

ZXR400

input the measurements into the formula;
5.7 x 5.7 x 0.7845 x 3.9 x 4

=398.0752776 cc simplified to 398cc or 400cc

Please note! an R1 is not 1000cc a zx6r is not 600cc and a aprilia rs 125 is not 125cc but it will be very close.

There are ways to work out your compression ratio but you need to find the clearance volume which is not as readily available for some bikes but for those who are lucky enough to be able to work it out or find it Idea


Arrow Working out the compression ratio

Arrow Forumla - Pi x R x R x H=A then... A/CV

the ration is always too 1 so 6:1 or 7:1 it should never be 3:2 or 6:5
pi=3.14
R=Radius
H= Height
CV= clearance volume

Arrow Example

Please note in this case we convert everything to Cm and not MM
a bike with a 60mm bore 70mm cylinder height and clearance volume of 18 cc goes like;

3.12 x 3 3 x 7 =197.82/18=10.99 ration 10.99:1

(these figures was just pulled out of the sky and do not represent an actual bike)

P.s If you read all that bloody well done Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how do you calculate CV?
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As if you know what any of those big words mean.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, to work out CC, bore, stroke or compression ratios I just tend to read the manual.

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CC is printed plain as day on the V5.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

JiveBunny wrote:


"Arrow Or simply look at the V5 document. "


But he 'suspects' it has had a 'big-bore' kit fitted and the CC stamp ground off so as not to visually offend his local 'Rozzers' Wink Wink Wink


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PostPosted: 19:55 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:56 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
So how do you calculate CV?


too be honest i dont know other than measuring it because its obviously a very unusual shape. do you know would be great if you did ?
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
As if you know what any of those big words mean.


Study bikes at college Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Bunker wrote:
Slacker24seven wrote:
As if you know what any of those big words mean.


Study bikes at college Thumbs Up


This thread:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3408993&highlight=#3408993

...and many others would suggest you need to study harder.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmfao ive done alot to the bike since then and havnt updated , also the bike got so bad due to doing around 1+k miles everymonth no fail with no limits due to weather
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Bunker wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
So how do you calculate CV?


too be honest i dont know other than measuring it because its obviously a very unusual shape. do you know would be great if you did ?


I do know and have done it many times. You remove the sparking plug and take the engine to TDC on the comp stroke and use a Burrette to fill the combustion chamber with oil and take a reading.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:

I do know and have done it many times. You remove the sparking plug and take the engine to TDC on the comp stroke and use a Burrette to fill the combustion chamber with oil and take a reading.


Out of interest, how do you figure it out from filling it at TDC?
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Bunker wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
So how do you calculate CV?


too be honest i dont know other than measuring it because its obviously a very unusual shape. do you know would be great if you did ?


If you know the swept volume (SV) and the compression ratio (CR), then it's simples:



CR=V1/V2
Where
V1=total volume (SV+CV)
V2=chamber volume (CV)


CR = (CV+SV)/CV
CV*CR=CV+SV
CV(CR-1)=SV
CV=SV/(CR-1)

Chamber volume= Swept volume / compression ratio minus 1
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

I do know and have done it many times. You remove the sparking plug and take the engine to TDC on the comp stroke and use a Burrette to fill the combustion chamber with oil and take a reading

ahh makes perfect sense cheers
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In his calculation he was trying to calculate CR so it is not known.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:

I do know and have done it many times. You remove the sparking plug and take the engine to TDC on the comp stroke and use a Burrette to fill the combustion chamber with oil and take a reading.


Out of interest, how do you figure it out from filling it at TDC?


because its all the space upwards of TDC?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Bunker wrote:
its actually for older bikes which wont always have the numbers stamped on, also its just work i done at college today Smile plus a v5 doesn't give you the cc to a decimal Smile


Anyone who actually needed to know this to a level more accurate than that stamped on the cylinder or on the v5 would probably be capable of working out the volume of a cylinder anyway, so who really is your target audience?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
In his calculation he was trying to calculate CR so it is not known.


Thanks Ariel, I got you now Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Bike Bunker wrote:
its actually for older bikes which wont always have the numbers stamped on, also its just work i done at college today Smile plus a v5 doesn't give you the cc to a decimal Smile


Anyone who actually needed to know this to a level more accurate that that stamped on the cylinder or on the v5 would probably be capable of working out the volume of a cylinder anyway, so who really is your target audience?



Very true! well i was just revising over everything to work out engine size's knock on effects different things will have and was jotting it down on the mac decided to post some bits.
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Ah, a Mac user. 'Nuff said Smile
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The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Ah, a Mac user. 'Nuff said Smile


aha when you can claim tax back get business discounts and a shit load of free software a mac for pennies becomes reasonable
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

CR=V1/V2
Where
V1=total volume (SV+CV)
V2=chamber volume (CV)


CR = (CV+SV)/CV
CV*CR=CV+SV
CV(CR-1)=SV
CV=SV/(CR-1)

Chamber volume= Swept volume / compression ratio minus 1



i was trying to show how to work out the Comp Ratio but yeah you right aha. i cant post without bad karma anymore it seems though.
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