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 Posted: 20:53 - 31 Mar 2013  Post subject: 1976 Ponton |
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A special built by a Dutch mate, he is a little crazy. This is in his own words.
I made it in 1976?, the reason was that my friends bought Kawasaki 900's wich where expensive, so I told them that you could built a faster motorcycle for a tenth of that prise.
That was in a full pub, so they gave me a Norton 650ss with a broken conrod and challanced me, there was also an idel standing 4000cc Pontiac and 10 days later it was ready to show the Kawa's they where short of horspowers.
The Ponton was starting first kick (20 cm longer) so smooth and silent, your cheeks moving back, the gearbox and cluch holding very well.
Word moved around, on my doorstep a man with a Laverda 750 racer, on a one mile save stretch I was at the end he halve way's.
We can do a lot In the Netherlands, not having M.O.T. but this was one step to far, after loosing the police a few times, the head of police called at my mothers place thelling ider take it apart or he had the chopper in to get me, bluf ofcourse.
My mother 98 now is still reminding me.
So took the engine out, welded the frame to the rear chassis of a 2 liter VW 412 injection automatic to make it in to a beach trike, (we are 300 yards away from 120km of beach), now the police didn't bother any more unless they where very young triing to prove a point in a 4 cilinder diesel Landrover.
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A very silly mental bike  who would not want that in the garage 
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That's...... err...... well, variouse exclamations/queries are reverberatring randomly round my bonce...
Munch Mamut
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and for some bizare reason... Windle(?)-Imp? But wasn't that an outfit?
Car engines bikes.... is it possible to make one pretty?
Well if you start with something as asthetically pleasing as a Norton 650SS, then it would appear you have a better chance.... though I think it might still have looked better with the con-rod hanging through the side of the block! At least it didn't end up another ruddy Triton, though! But to end up a Beach Buggy! the poor thing!
This is definately evidence against the legalisation of soft drugs. It really is. I know the Dutch do have a rather neurotic excentricity.... probably only to be expected sandwidged between the frogs and the krouts, and maybe they NEED the drugs to cope with that... but still! Some of the stuff they do to poor unsuspecting motorcycles?!?
I had a duch correspondent once, through old trials bikes... he also liked Montessa Cota's... and ought to be noted how 'cota' roughly translates as 'Mountain-Motorcycle' from Spanish, aparently... and asked how in such a flat country the sprot of 'mountain riding; might have EVER cought on...... he said... "Vell eet dependz on hwich waay yooo luke aht eet! afta-a-vew-sleevs... awa-landzgaype caaan luke vewy-vewy steeeeP-indeeed!"
Poton.... doesn't really do it justice really.... Nortiac.... yup.. I think that would have been more fitting!
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Jesus Christ you mad bastard! 
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Makes the Van Veen look like a stripped down lightweight!
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Well that's just mental
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | Impressive creation indeed!
Did he ever test it against the 900cc Kawasaki to see how much quicker it was? |
He put it against a 750 Monjuice, he says. That's the Laverda twin, not the 1000cc tripple, but still a creditably quick motorcycle in its day.
From pics, I think that that is the GMC 4.0l straight six engine. It was fitted in a lot of vans and light commercials, as well as the 'girlie' spec muscle cars, like the Camaro.... as well as the middle-sized 'Sedans'. It wasn't a hugely powerful lump, though was tuneable; it was what was fitted to the original Corvette. But I think that even that only developed about 120bhp or so... many 'cooking model' small blocks didn't develop much over 140bhp. However...
The Original Z1 only claimed 90bhp. For the era that was considered astounding; it was the sort of power previously only developed by works 500GP bikes.... but in a naked road-bike frame it wasn't amazingly fast.... I think they claimed about 130ish mph.
The Pontiac motor, probably wouldn't have out-grunted a good Zed, it probably only made 75-80bhp... still pretty respectable.. as much or more than contemprary 750-four or the Laverda Montjuice. But, it would have delivered tar-rippling torque at low revs.
I would imagine, that with the shear thrust of all that torque available off the throttle, it would have hauled like a fraight train away from most things up to about 80mph, if it had the gears for it.... and would have carried on pulling strongly to about a ton, ton ten, before hitting the two-mile a minute barrier, where aero-dynamics really start to become more important, and that, a Zed, a 750-four or anything else of the era would have been strugling to find that bit more speed.
Johnny Allen's famouse salt-lake record on the Vincent; what was it? About 140? I believe stood for ages, as the record for a 'standard' unfaired, production motorcyle, on 'regular' fuel and without supercharging. Benefitted, at the time from high octane aviation fuel being permitted as a 'pump-petrol' and the 'optional' high-compression pistons for methanol in the HRD catalogue being deemed a standard production part, to allow the bike to make, I think it was about 130bhp? But Johnny was the only one fool-hardy enough to strip to his swimming trunks, and lie like a fish on the tank, head down, riding blind to cheat the wind to do it!
So? It would have been 'close' and depends by what criteria you judged 'faster'.... off line, it would probably have been a matter of tyres, and keeping it up-right; top end? Speculation, the Zed, possibly the more likely to pip it; in the twisties? Well, on the tyres of the day, I dont think either would have had much of an edge! The Noton Featherbed and road-holders superiority to the garden gate frame and notionally damped plungers on the Kwak, probably equally vexed containing either the stock 903 air-head or the pontiac lump! All-Round, I suspect the Zed would almost certainly have been the easier to ride, there fore the easier to ride more quickly.... but the Nortiac.... must have had killer roll-on acceleration between 30 & 80.
But something built from scrap in a back-garden, for the price of a good night out, when a big Zed was a bike you drooled over in the magazines, that few (in Europe at least) could afford new in the show-room... It ought, I think, to have been close enough!
Rather his left knee than mine next to that exposed primary drive chain though
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