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PostPosted: 09:50 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Unprovoked Stabbing in London Reply with quote

These are sick bastards. Not very nice to watch if you are of a gentle disposition.

Two guys stabbed, one fatally wounded. Totally unprovoked attack. Makes you think!

https://youtu.be/Fu2WuBKgLNw

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No real surprise. Its so common it is not unexpected.

If you remember back to 2009, UK is violent crime capital of Europe and worse than South Africa (Krad Laughing )

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html


The fact that the British Crime survey doesn't allow you to be a victim of crime more than 5 times means crime is under-reported by about 50% so the UK is probably worse than Kinshasa or Brazzaville (again Krad ought to be able to fill you in on that).
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

24 hours with each of those pieces of filth. Oh boy. Mad
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst ever Liberalwankers are allowed to control law enforcement and sentencing, the number of incidents of this type will continue to escalate.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just baffles me!! Why do it? Surely you know your going to get caught, and go to prison. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever??

Why would you just stab two people that you don't know for no other reason than because I can?

15 year stetch in prison for doing something you had no reason to do.

I honestly hope that those guys get analy raped everyday of those 15 years, and have the emotional scarring that comes with killing someone.

Guaranteed they end up in prison, with a PS3, a TV and a DVD player, and get through it like it's a youth club. Makes me sick.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
It just baffles me!! Why do it? Surely you know your going to get caught, and go to prison. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever??

Why would you just stab two people that you don't know for no other reason than because I can?



Because they have IQs and EQs around the 70 mark and genetic-sewage parents.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Whilst ever Liberalwankers are allowed to control law enforcement and sentencing, the number of incidents of this type will continue to escalate.


Funny that high sentences don't seem to stop crime though.

The UK has some of the highest sentences of all of Europe but also some of the highest crime rates (the highest according to fatpies' link). It's quite a joke amongst my European friends... "you English like to lock people up".

Crime is the result of a bigger problem in society. Just like you don't fix the tracking of a car by replacing tyres constantly you can't fix crime by just locking up criminals.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Funny that high sentences don't seem to stop crime though.

The UK has some of the highest sentences of all of Europe but also some of the highest crime rates

High sentences that are routinely halved aren't really all that harsh, are they?
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Unprovoked Stabbing in London Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
What are your thoughts?


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PostPosted: 11:50 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
High sentences that are routinely halved aren't really all that harsh, are they?


Good jod in completely ignoring the point I was making... Reduction of time served for good behaviour has happened in every country I've lived in.

Maybe a simple question will get you to understand the point - why does the UK have such a relatively high crime rate despite it's relatively high sentences if high sentences are really any good at reducing crime?
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add that my comments are in no way trying to diminish the point of the OP. This crime was horrendous and I'm amazed at the lenience shown. How on earth someone can maliciously take a life in such a callous manner and get away with probably 10 years served is beyond me... The accomplices got off lightly too, I would've expected them to get the same or very similar punishment.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
I should add that my comments are in no way trying to diminish the point of the OP. This crime was horrendous and I'm amazed at the lenience shown. How on earth someone can maliciously take a life in such a callous manner and get away with probably 10 years served is beyond me... The accomplices got off lightly too, I would've expected them to get the same or very similar punishment.


No your point was clear. As to the answer?
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Maybe a simple question will get you to understand the point - why does the UK have such a relatively high crime rate despite it's relatively high sentences if high sentences are really any good at reducing crime?

Because by the time a typical scrote has committed a crime that results in a long custodial sentence, he'll have been through the revolving doors of the Criminals' Justice System dozens of times, and received a series of Cautions, ticking offs, unserved community service, suspended sentences and two week holidays, and will have been taught to view the police, CPS and courts with utter contempt?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
daemonoid wrote:
I should add that my comments are in no way trying to diminish the point of the OP. This crime was horrendous and I'm amazed at the lenience shown. How on earth someone can maliciously take a life in such a callous manner and get away with probably 10 years served is beyond me... The accomplices got off lightly too, I would've expected them to get the same or very similar punishment.


No your point was clear. As to the answer?


I'll pipe in here. This is how I feel it would work.

1. Back breaking dawn till dusk slave labour in chain gangs. All labour will be to improve the country and any slacking will result in no food/bed/comfort. Any and all rule breaking will be severly punished. It will make prison a truly terrifying prospect.

2. Paedos should be given a computer and asked to search for child images etc., and every site they find, they will flag to be blocked. Sounds like something that paedos would love, but imagine how creative they would be in finding stuff that the police couldn't and thus catch more paedos!! Once they have served half the compulsory sentence, then they get castrated and sent to the hard labour camps like all the others.

3. Cannabis will be made legal to stop stupid sensless arrests and police time should increase. Serious drug dealers will be given Krocodil and they can watch their skin fall off while having a tv on with an endless loop of people that have lost family members to drugs etc.

4. Theft - Arm gets chopped off!! Simple.

5. Car crimes i.e. speeding etc. i feel is pretty decent as it is. If you run someone over though see point 1.

6. Euthanasia will be allowed, but must come from written proof by someone who is corpus mentus, either before any illness or during. It's wrong to let people suffer. They know when they have had too much and to be blunt, they are draining the NHS of expensive treatments.


I'm sure I could think of more.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
No your point was clear. As to the answer?


I'd start by:

Reducing unemployment
Reducing inequality
Decriminalise drug use
Getting rid of employer available criminal records for all but the most serious crimes

Easier said than done for the first two, but it's about tackling the roots of crime not treating the symptoms afterwards.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: , Reply with quote

I just can not get my head round something like this. Sad
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All three of them, death penalty, end of.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
why does the UK have such a relatively high crime rate despite it's relatively high sentences if high sentences are really any good at reducing crime?

We have an ever escalating rate of crime (not the same thing as official crime rates BTW) because judges consistently pass sentences that are not what they purport to be.
If full sentences were to be served then at least the decent members of ''society'' would get some respite whilst the earth's scum were languishing inside.
BTW no. 2 The fatfucker who started the chain of events that led to that boy's murder has (surprise, surprise) been released from prison and is currently a fugitive. Early release FTW Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this video on my facebook the other day, couldn't believe it, on first viewing I was expecting the three lads to get jumped by a gang or something because they are just casually walking along talking, then out of fucking nowhere they attack the two lads. Its just animalistic.

TarmacSurfer commented on it as such:

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There are too many semi-feral retards drawing breath with no concern for any one or any thing beyond their own desires, whims or amusements for me to be surprised at this,it's precisely what happens when a retard tries - and fails - to get a grip on the concept of "respect". It's our twisted culture of venerating weapons that leads to things like this, the poor dumb fucktard probably had no intention of killing the kid, it was a blind stab with something that he was flashing to make himself seem "hard". I still favour a suitable punishment though. There are too many similar genetic failures for me to think it's worth attempting to rehabilitate this one.


To an extent I agree, the first guy who actually died maybe he didn't mean to kill him, but the second kid.... you don't stab someone 5 times to make a point, that is going for the kill.

Does prison rehabilitate people? I don't think so, it just keeps them off the street for a while so more people don't get fucked up. A guy I know who's being doing a 10yr stretch for burying a hammer into someones head and leaving them brain damaged I heard was on day release the other day, he used the time constructively. Actually what he did was go to the house of some rival and kick off the doors and fuck them up, and when he is released proper has career prospects of becoming a toecutter. I know he was a heroin dealer inside and made a tidy profit doing so.

So yeah I don't think prison works very well in terms of rehabilitation.

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PostPosted: 13:24 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only hope these cunts are being gang raped daily in prison. Somehow I doubt the world would be that lucky.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is by far the worst sort of crime I can think of apart from maybe political/war which is basically the same with just more people.

What will they get? Life which ends up be 15 years?
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tougher sentences for violent offences against others could help in part, but only if the people are thinking about the sentences. Really crank up the sentences for the crimes against another person, remove all "good behaviour" time and then let it be known on every bus shelter poster. A lot of violent crime occurs in city centres by drunk people, this could be tackled by giving 6 month bans from all town centres and alcohol establishments for anti-social behaviour, failure to comply and you serve the 6 again on tag, failure again and 6 months in prison followed by 2 year ban.

Prisons definitely need to be reformed, hard labour doing coastal defences or the like would be a good idea. A prison building programme, done by prisoners, could also work well. With capacity doubled judges could double sentences.

Some consideration should also be given to licensing individuals to carry self-defence items such as CS spray, and licensing homeowners to have semi-automatic rimfire firearms (with hollow point bullets) and shotguns with buckshot for defending their homes. Those weapons specifically as it allows homeowners to deal with mutliple attackers, and minimises the chances of bullets going through walls and killing others in the home. Training should be given with the licences.

daemonoid wrote:

I'd start by:

Reducing unemployment
Reducing inequality
Decriminalise drug use
Getting rid of employer available criminal records for all but the most serious crimes

Easier said than done for the first two, but it's about tackling the roots of crime not treating the symptoms afterwards.


Decriminalising drug use would increase the rate of violent crime as there would be more people out there whose IQ would be reduced to single digits for the best part of the day. Ok, you may be a nice guy when you're high on crack or meth, but others might not be.

The problem here is some people wanting to harm people for entertainment, the objective is to make it less entertaining, not to give them more benefits and some crack to give them a more entertaining time whilst doing it!
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creepy, this is in my local town, I was actually talking about this very incident with some friends from another area on Saturday night, I didn't know the footage was on youtube, I've never seen it before.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual the sentences make me about as sick as the crime itself, they took an innocent life without provocation therefore they should never get out. Second chances should be given for minor crimes but never for something like this.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 15 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
This is by far the worst sort of crime I can think of apart from maybe political/war which is basically the same with just more people.

What will they get? Life which ends up be 15 years?


Around last election time I remember there was some anomoly in the UK law where if you admit to the crime even if you were caught in the act, it gave you a good 20% off the sentence

Ah found the link

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469874/Villains-caught-act-sentence-cut-pleading-guilty.html

So 15 years less 20% =12, good behaviour nets them early release so probably about 5-6 years.
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