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PostPosted: 12:41 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Slipping into neutral + Bar wobble Reply with quote

Seem to be having some issues with the gears on my new bike Crying or Very sad

Earlier I was going round a bend in second and it slipped into neutral, making me rag the engine for a sec till I cluncked into gear

Also noticed the gears are noticeably quite clunky from 1-2 and back and sometimes when in neutral if I try to shift up the gears sort of crunch like the cogs are mashing into each other and I have to sort of take pressure off the gear lever and shift in a different rev range, isn't cool

What do? So far i've just been shifting early to avoid neutral and get into third asap

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PostPosted: 12:47 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds similar to the problem I was having... I'd suggest checking the clutch springs first as that was the problem with mine (Not a divvy though)
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know if that is a common fault on your bike?

Some Yamahas and Hondas are prone to second gear problems where the gear dogs get worn and they jump out under hard acceleration. The fix is replacing the gear cogs.

Hope it isn't that though.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Do you know if that is a common fault on your bike?

Some Yamahas and Hondas are prone to second gear problems where the gear dogs get worn and they jump out under hard acceleration. The fix is replacing the gear cogs.

Hope it isn't that though.

Tends to happen under hard acceleration so I have a big feel that that's the issue Thumbs Down

Will hit up google, fair few divvy owners on here may hopefully chip in...Not done clutches before and managed to fuck up simply changing a cable before Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Tends to happen under hard acceleration so I have a big feel that that's the issue Thumbs Down

Will hit up google, fair few divvy owners on here may hopefully chip in...Not done clutches before and managed to fuck up simply changing a cable before Laughing


Never had any issues with mine in that sense... it just sounded a little rattly, which is a common thing with divvy's and air cooled bikes apparently.

As for the clutch, there's nothing to it... the hardest part would be fucking it up.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, they are clunky 1st > 2nd and 2nd to 1st. Clutches are also noisy.

They require a solid smack into 2nd, none of this fairy foot shit.

Corner, use 3rd faggot. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Firstly, they are clunky 1st > 2nd and 2nd to 1st. Clutches are also noisy.

They require a solid smack into 2nd, none of this fairy foot shit.

Corner, use 3rd faggot. Laughing

Thanks.

noticed clutch is noisy, bit of a rattle, did read it was normal elsewhere on here
I do make good and sure I smack it up, although I had the same problem with my YBR which stopped when I wore trainers, I think the chunky boot gets caught on the engine cover or something I think i'm forcing the stick up when really i'm just booting the engine or something.

Will have a play and see but it does seem a bit shitty, don't mind it as it is I just didn't want it to end up trashing the whole 'gearbox' by ignoring a possible problem!
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, sometimes if you don't get it into gear firmly it will come out. Not had one slip out under harsh acceleration before though, just where I've pussied it into the gear and it's come out.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always screw up gears with boots, trainers are never an issue though. So reckon its down to your/my feet being massive. Big penises too.

But no, they do rattle, ask J.M. .. his rattles like mine does, there is a fix apparently, but who cares, it works Laughing Done an oil change yet?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i had my SV i dropped it on the yard and bent the gear shift lever, ever since that happened i had the same problem as you did,
i brought and fitted a new one and the problem was gone regarding the jumping into neutral and hearing the cogs grind.
Also check your chain and see if its stretched.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to adjust the gear lever on these? So you can get more leverage easier?
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, oil change Shifty
Will do, can tell it's gammy plus the previous owner only took it for short trips I think so it's got white shit in it.

Also getting few spots of oil, common issue, clean breathers etc
got £50 of the price as when the guy delivered it I spotted oil on top of the chain guard Cool

Not sure about adjustment
But what about the gears sort of grinding and not engaging from neutral > 2nd?

Only did it once or twice, seems to be at a certain rev or something

PS: Looking for haynes manual, skint innit Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change from 1st to 2nd is horrible. Crunches but that's normal. You have to kick it up like you'd kick a cunt in the balls for sleeping with your girl. If you just tap it up, it'll slip out in to neutral if you nail it. If it slips in to neutral, drop the revs to get it back in to second. 8-9k rpm shifting to 2nd from neutral is horrible.

Rattle can be fixed by replacing the dowel behind the clutch from 5 to 5.5mm. I'll attempt mine once exams are over.

HG in Leicester seem to have gotten pretty clueless and don't even know what size crush washers you need for an oil change... so find out before you go. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Change from 1st to 2nd is horrible. Crunches but that's normal. You have to kick it up like you'd kick a cunt in the balls for sleeping with your girl. If you just tap it up, it'll slip out in to neutral if you nail it. If it slips in to neutral, drop the revs to get it back in to second. 8-9k rpm shifting to 2nd from neutral is horrible.

Rattle can be fixed by replacing the dowel behind the clutch from 5 to 5.5mm. I'll attempt mine once exams are over.

HG in Leicester seem to have gotten pretty clueless and don't even know what size crush washers you need for an oil change... so find out before you go. Laughing

Oh yeah, crush washers. Glad I didn't just go out there and do it that would have pissed me off, once again being lazy pays off Cool Thumbs Up

Thanks for the insight, never been to HG in Leicester I use MCA next to rack n roll/redeemer they seem to know their shit and have been very good with warranties and things in the past for me Thumbs Up

The bike is exactly as you describe, nothing to worry about then, just adds to it's character Wub
Infamous shitty yamaha gears then

The rattle is barely audible really, I only noticed it with my ear up close and off the bike, not heard it on the bike but the dash area does vibrate a bit and the mirrors are retarded and zoomed in and vibrate worse than my grandma's head
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bollocks should it crunch from first to second, not if you're doing it right.

Check condition of chain / cush drive if you're having issues. Also adjust the gear lever so it suits you.

Yamaha's I've owned have never had the best gearboxes, but they shouldn't bang once you're on the move and they shouldn't jump out.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every XJ I've ridden crunches, even the hire bike was a shitter shifting from 1st to 2nd, every other gear was fantastically smooth. All of them were fairly low mile XJ's too.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Every XJ I've ridden crunches, even the hire bike was a shitter shifting from 1st to 2nd, every other gear was fantastically smooth. All of them were fairly low mile XJ's too.


Then you're doing it wrong.

Do you really think a major Jap bike manufacturer would mass produce a bike that crunches when you change gear?
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

But I wouldn't say crunch, more.. clunky than the other gear changes.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

New issue - If I take my hands off the bars at 40mph the bars violently shake side to side

Seems okay at other speeds though seems to only be around 40mph
Will put it on the paddock later and spin the front wheel to make sure the disc is true... what else could it be, headrace bearings?
I have grabbed the wheel with my legs and tugged on the forks and moved them left to right, doesn't seem to be any play and it feels normal when I have my hands on the bars Confused

Only noticed because I took my hands off to do my gloves up!
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front wheel out of balance.
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gearbox issue is frequently caused by either incorrect clutch adjustment or some other clutch problem. Have had it on so many bikes, especially Yams.

Bar shake could be many things but is often down to not enough air in the front tyre. Occasionally unequal amounts of oil in the forks.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
Front wheel out of balance.

How does one balance it?

Still not done tyre pressures Laughing and always need to with a new bike, will check those later and pick up some oil and a crush washer, if I can find one. Woulda ordered some from wemoto but 25p for a washer then 3.50 for postage didn't seem worth it Razz

Clutch cable seems fine tbh, pulls the arm all the way and releases it fine, will keep an eye on it and be hamfooted
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
garth wrote:
Front wheel out of balance.

How does one balance it?


Take it to a bike tyre place, as you need a machine to do it.
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

FazerRuss wrote:

Take it to a bike tyre place, as you need a machine to do it.

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