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Grubby
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36449
Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.
Come on people sign this petition Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

Grubby wrote:
a bike is £120 a year?

Eh?

Max price for a bike is £78/year.

Silly sausage!
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where can I buy one of these 3 series BMWs that requires no road tax? Road tax is based largely on exhaust emissions, the lower the level the lower the tax which brings electric cars and some hybrids into a zero or low tax category, electric motorcycles are also zero tax.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

Grubby wrote:
https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36449
Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.
Come on people sign this petition Twisted Evil


In Belgium, if I actually want to register my bike here, it'll cost me ~600 Euro as a one off fee ('road tax') and then 55 Euro per year ('circulation road tax'). And that's for a 9 year old 1000cc bike. Get one that's perhaps 2 years old and you're paying thousands of euros for the one off payment.

I'd take the UK tax system any day of the week. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

Grubby wrote:

Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.

Because they're trying to encourage low emissions so that our towns and cities are more pleasant places to be, never mind the whole 'environment' thing.

Which BMW 3 series is VED rated A? Some are rated B, but I wasn't aware any where rated A.

Also, I would certainly not want people to consider trying to rate bikes like cars - to get the performance of a £3k bike in a modern car you're probably £440+ per year in tax thanks to the emissions.
Bike's probably better than that, but I bet if it was based on the same formula, most bikes would go up, with only a few at the bottom going down.

And it's rare that I've had a bike that does over 35mpg. Some have been more like 20mpg.

Anyway want to make a petition stating that all the people that sign the first petition are a) not representing bikers b) very silly and c) should be made to wear pink leotards any time they do ride a bike to identify them? Wink
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Grubby wrote:
https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36449
Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.
Come on people sign this petition Twisted Evil


In Belgium, if I actually want to register my bike here, it'll cost me ~600 Euro as a one off fee ('road tax') and then 55 Euro per year ('circulation road tax'). And that's for a 9 year old 1000cc bike. Get one that's perhaps 2 years old and you're paying thousands of euros for the one off payment.

I'd take the UK tax system any day of the week. Laughing
I would take the U.K system a lot quicker, My car car is 220.00 sterling per year in the U.K but if I taxed my car a few miles away in Ireland it would cost me 2350 Euro per year.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

850cc car = o tax 850 cc bike = £45 tax ?
if they got rid of tax on bikes it would encourage people to uses bikes and scooters instead of cars .. thats why there ought to be a petition .... Reaaly show how little space we take up on the roads, how many more bikes you could get into the same parking spaces ......
Yesw the system in other parts of Europe is even more crap but thats up to them to fix ...
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

radicalrabit wrote:
850cc car = o tax 850 cc bike = £45 tax ?
if they got rid of tax on bikes it would encourage people to uses bikes and scooters instead of cars .. thats why there ought to be a petition .... Reaaly show how little space we take up on the roads, how many more bikes you could get into the same parking spaces ......
Yesw the system in other parts of Europe is even more crap but thats up to them to fix ...

How about this - most bikes are only used by one person.

You couldn't fit more than three bikes in the parking space of a 900cc Fiat 500, yet you can get 4 people in one. It's listed at 68.5mpg, which I don't think any 900cc bike comes close to.
It gets free tax because it meets strict emissions guidelines.
Motorbike emissions guidelines are much less strict as far as I know.
One of the reasons bikes take up less room on the road is that there's so few of them.
In London for instance you often find that the place gets pretty jammed up with bikes - I always find myself stuck behind other bikes filtering slower etc; back to the problems of car drivers.

Sure, you can fit two bikes in the space of a car on the road, but the more bikes there are, the more danger there is if they keep acting as they do.

One reason we get away with and get the road system funded by bigger vehicles is that we are a relative minority. Wouldn't want to try and push that luck!
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few arguments in favour of powered two wheelers. Probably the most significant is that we finish our journeys faster, and therefore spend less time taking up pieces of road. That's why filtering benefits car drivers as well, not that they'll ever see us as anything but queue jumping bastards.

Pointless petition is pointless though, for reasons that I've gone into several times. It needs MCN, MAG and at least one ecomental mob behind it to be politically significant.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

Grubby wrote:
https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36449
Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.
Come on people sign this petition Twisted Evil


My bike chucks out god knows what kinda crap emissions-wise.

Most of the time, it takes up as much road as a car does.

Fucking stupid petition.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another bike petition written by an illiterate chimp.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah agree to a point but it does get the brain cells whirring a bit
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 14 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

G wrote:
Grubby wrote:

Well if you think about it why is it that a car can be zero tax & a bike is £120 a year? Really not fair that a guy with a 3 series BMW gets to drive along taking up loads more road than me, can't filter, & needs more space to park when he eventually gets to work gets his car on the road for nowt.

Because they're trying to encourage low emissions so that our towns and cities are more pleasant places to be, never mind the whole 'environment' thing.

Which BMW 3 series is VED rated A? Some are rated B, but I wasn't aware any where rated A.

Also, I would certainly not want people to consider trying to rate bikes like cars - to get the performance of a £3k bike in a modern car you're probably £440+ per year in tax thanks to the emissions.
Bike's probably better than that, but I bet if it was based on the same formula, most bikes would go up, with only a few at the bottom going down.

And it's rare that I've had a bike that does over 35mpg. Some have been more like 20mpg.

Anyway want to make a petition stating that all the people that sign the first petition are a) not representing bikers b) very silly and c) should be made to wear pink leotards any time they do ride a bike to identify them? Wink



What bikes did you get such crap MPG? On my bandit1250 I went from Carlisle to Glen Coe on just over 17 litres of fuel (around 200 miles the route I took). This was loaded up with luggage although no pillion. Varied roads and although I wasnt going nuts, was driving reasonably quickly, about 90mph on the motorways. Sports bikes are considerably lighter and more aerodynamic than my bandit and should therefore should get better mileage at similar speeds.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 14 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Petition to scrap tax for bikes Reply with quote

I tend to get low fuel economy on bikes whatever; I'm not too bad on cars - managed to average 34mpg getting to Santapod in my M3 and 17mpg for the whole trip (which included a day's drifting). Can get 43mpg or so out of the vito sitting behind trucks.

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PostPosted: 15:41 - 14 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure BMW 320D's are close to tax exempt, or £35 a year.

and 34mpg out of an m3 to santa pod? it's about 20miles from me and I'd be lucky to get 23mpg in my 330 Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 14 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

From reading, so a good way - sat on the motorway with 75 on the clocks.

Average on the mpg meter was 22 over the time I had it - and that included driving 'good' in traffic (and the opposite when in traffic, generally.)

E36 seems to much better on fuel than the E9x M3, despite that they only manage the same claimed hp/cc (which is actually down from the E46.)
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 14 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
Pretty sure BMW 320D's are close to tax exempt, or £35 a year.

and 34mpg out of an m3 to santa pod? it's about 20miles from me and I'd be lucky to get 23mpg in my 330 Mr. Green


My BMW 320d Efficient dynamics is 20 quid for a tax disc, but it isn't a standard 320d.. to get under the co2 limit they had to do a bit more work, longer gear ratio's remapped engine, lower ride height etc.. I get 65mpg+ out of it..
I don't have a bike yet, just joined the forum but it seems crazy that bikes are taxed higher than my 160bhp 4 door..

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