Cyclone remote start installation

[J.M.]

So I've installed the Cyclone alarm that I bought. Figured out why my starter button was working so intermittently in the process and fixed that. The instructions that came with the cyclone mean that when the starter button is pressed, it will start regardless of being in gear or not. This is not what I want.

Here is the wiring diagram:
https://i.imgur.com/1bQVslr.jpg?1

The instructions told me to attach the remote start wire to the blue-white wire going to the start relay.

Instead I attached it to the other blue-white wire coming out of the relay assembly and leading to the starter switch. This wire should have no voltage going through it when any of the safety devices are in action (I.E. side stand switch, cut off switch). However the remote start still seems to be starting the bike whilst it's in gear (I tested with me sitting on the bike so that it didn't fall).

The bike starts by earthing that blue wire - and this is what the alarm does.

I'm 99% sure I got the correct wire (I tested). What did I do wrong?
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2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900

[CaNsA]

You connected in the first place, that's where you went wrong.

I didnt bother on mine, it's pointless gimmicky and risky IMO.
The alarm works fine with out it.

[J.M.]

[CaNsA]

The side stand switch is a good place to use

If the bike is in gear, and the stand is down it wont start.
Can you post a pic of the alarm installation guide ?

[andy_uk]

Not ideal, but a workaround would be as follows :
Connect a relay to the neutral light.
Connect the starter switch wire from the Cyclone to the 'normally open' contact.
Connect the 'common' contact to where you currently have the starter wire connected.
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Aprilia Classic 125, GS500E, ER5-A1, ER5-C4, ER6 & an XJ6 project frame...

[CaNsA]

Or just connect 1 wire to one side of the sidestand switch.
I need the alarm wiring diagram to know which side.

[J.M.]

[CaNsA]

I would do a bit of trial and error.

Get the rear wheel up and test both sides of the sidestand with that wire which is supposed to hook into the starter relay.

You are trying to install it in such a way that it doesnt bypass the safety feature of not starting and jumping forward while in gear when started.

With the ignition circuit being messed with already, what have you got to lose?

[J.M.]

Unfortunately I have nothing to raise the rear wheel, so I can only test things whilst I'm sitting on the bike, so make sure that it doesn't fall.

From studying the diagram it appears that the left relay in the relay assembly should only close when the clutch switch and side stand is earthed and the clutch switch is closed. (Although the clutch switch has never been in use... maybe that's bypassed by the previous owner).

Then the blue-white wire leading to the starter switch should only have +12v when the clutch switch is closed and the side stand switch is down. The blue-white wire to the starter relay will always have +12v (even if the ignition is off).

I just don't understand it because installing it in place of the starter switch and only the starter switch should make it function exactly the same as the starter switch

I will get outside and experiment again tomorrow.
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2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900

[J.M.]

You know how sometimes.. you just feel like a complete idiot?

Well...

It was all working. Turns out the previous owner disabled the clutch switch and I was subconsciously putting the side stand up every time I climbed over the bike. Tried it with the side stand down... worked perfectly.

https://i.imgur.com/N9hAZ63.jpg
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2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900

[CaNsA]

https://i.imgur.com/EegC0Mr.png

[J.M.]