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PostPosted: 22:21 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Aluminium polishing - autsol vs compound bars Reply with quote

Decided to pull out my polisher and do some of the polishing myself, it is a powerful machine with high rotations.

Looks like the kit below but bigger:

https://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo91/ModMindedShare/Nzxt%20Lexa/Plexi/PolishingSetup3inuse.jpg

I'm no expert but in the past I've polished with brown and blue bars. On this occasion I'm stuck with Solvol autosol.

First thing I've noticed is it's blackened all the polishing wheels. I'm not after a mirror finish but it's not doing a bad job if not messier than the bars.

Question is this should I really be using solvol autosol for this application and is it ruining my polishing wheels? Can I switch back to the compound bars now the wheels have been blackened and impregnated with solvol?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Aluminium polishing - autsol vs compound bars Reply with quote

koolio wrote:
Decided to pull out my polisher and do some of the polishing myself, it is a powerful machine with high rotations.

Looks like the kit below but bigger:

https://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo91/ModMindedShare/Nzxt%20Lexa/Plexi/PolishingSetup3inuse.jpg

I'm no expert but in the past I've polished with brown and blue bars. On this occasion I'm stuck with Solvol autosol.

First thing I've noticed is it's blackened all the polishing wheels. I'm not after a mirror finish but it's not doing a bad job if not messier than the bars.


Question is this should I really be using solvol autosol for this application and is it ruining my polishing wheels? Can I switch back to the compound bars now the wheels have been blackened and impregnated with solvol?



Aluminimum need a different abrasive as it is soft and tends to clog.

Autosol is recommended for aluminimum.

It 'says' it also 'protects' the polished finish from air after the job is done.

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PostPosted: 08:38 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know its recommended for aluminium, just never seen any proper polishing people using a large rotary wheel with autosol solvol. Must be a reason they use compound bars over autosol?
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

we use compound bars

i will try an find out what type if you want?
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolio wrote:
I know its recommended for aluminium, just never seen any proper polishing people using a large rotary wheel with autosol solvol. Must be a reason they use compound bars over autosol?


I think the 'surface' speed of the wheel will be important as any clag/clots that builds up on the wheel will dig into/score the new finish.
A higher speed will mean more heat which can 'cook' the polish 'and detritus polished off' into hard grit-like particles.

Any time I have polished aluminium I've only used a rag and manual effort
As aluminium is so soft (like Paddy is Smile).

You do know you have to work through the grades? (Non condescend-alistic tone)
Start with rough to remove all the surface marks or until the only marks are the marks caused by the polish/sandpaper.
Then progress to finer grades. Again, polish until the only marks are the marks left by the current grade of polish, and so on.

There's not much 'art' in the tech but a bright finish can look amazing (to some).

I don't have any aluminium on my bikes Sad but I had all the aluminium on my Thundercat buffed to a mirror finish.
Only bad thing is that once you start that shit, you're on the rocky road to having to do it every time the machine gets wet or even stands in a moist atmosphere. That's where the waxes in some polishes help.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You do know you have to work through the grades? (Non condescend-alistic tone)


Er? I usually just go for it! Not after a mirror finish so its not too bad!

mudcow007 wrote:
we use compound bars

i will try an find out what type if you want?


Just the brown and blue ones for Alu!
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye, its like a maroon colour?

with cotton mops
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Aluminium polishing - autsol vs compound bars Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
...Autosol is recommended for aluminimum.
It 'says' it also 'protects' the polished finish from air after the job is done....

I guess that's because raw aluminium is reactive when exposed to air and forms a coating of aluminium oxide on the surface. Which actually protects the metal.

So I'm thinking Autosol removes the oxide coating , replacing with a covering of clear wax/polish, preventing any reaction with the air. It's this covering that can then get worn away and needs replacing (via reapplying the Autosol).

This is from my recollection of my metal bashing classes but the OU says much the same - link here.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autosol will work with good but tarnished aluminium but it will not help with removing blemishes, not without generating a lot of heat.

Brown is your general purpose compound, I think it is called something like tripoli? The abrasives help to cut into the surface of softer metals. Blue is more of a finishing compound, more of a final polish. I don't think it has abrasives in it?

What mops are you using? They can make a difference. Always use different mops with different compounds, obvious really.


Some years ago I was given a big lump of a grey compound. No idea what it is but it works really well on pitted and corroded aluminium.

I find that meths oxidises the polished surface enough to stop it corroding but without affecting the shine too much. Pure Ethanol is supposed to be better but I've never tried it.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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aye, its like a maroon colour?

with cotton mops


Yes sir!

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Autosol will work with good but tarnished aluminium but it will not help with removing blemishes, not without generating a lot of heat.


Well you see thats the thing with the brown cutting compound I never felt like I was using too much I just applied it to the mop.

With autosol the mop is literally soaked with the stuff and black, I apply it everywhere to the metal piece being polished then polish, although I find I get to a saturation point where I'm just spreading it around all over the piece for a while, which is why I mentioned it was messy.

I can and do generate a lot of heat I have a proper dedicated polishing wheel so I can remove a lot of imperfections.

Just wondering whether autosol solvol is for home jobbies and not for the kit I'm using to polish with thats all.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autosol is a very fine abrasive that is designed to be used by hand. Use it if you want but it'll work out more expensive and probably take longer.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes a LOT longer.

If you must indulge in this particular brand of masochism (can't stand doing it myself), invest in a large bench grinder - the bigger and the older the better - and get a supply of proper wheels and soaps. And a decent pair of gauntlets & safety specs too. Some people take a hefty single-phase motor and fit their wheel either to that or to a shaft it's driving.

2-pole motors are 2800rpm, 4-pole are 1450rpm.

do a search for 'buffbook' and you'll find a handy pdf.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Yes a LOT longer.

If you must indulge in this particular brand of masochism (can't stand doing it myself), invest in a large bench grinder - the bigger and the older the better - and get a supply of proper wheels and soaps. And a decent pair of gauntlets & safety specs too. Some people take a hefty single-phase motor and fit their wheel either to that or to a shaft it's driving.

2-pole motors are 2800rpm, 4-pole are 1450rpm.

do a search for 'buffbook' and you'll find a handy pdf.


One of them 'mini' angle grinders with a mop to suit is cool for getting into bits still on the bike. Wot you can't be arsed to remove.
But they're as noisy as a drunken manchunian bird.
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PostPosted: 05:03 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS is what I'd call perfect for the job, for the likes of us - Wolf 8" 240V pedestal grinder and damn cheap too:

https://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&view=show_ad&adid=15313&catid=2
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll show you my polisher, if you show me yours.....
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well! Here she is 3000-3600rpm very proud of her.

Can you see the mops blackened and impregnated from the autosol? Is there a way of cleaning them and returning to the compound bars, or should I just go straight back to compound?

I was using brown on the stitched side and blue on the loose leaf side before autosol threw spanners in my world!!

https://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx115/accjnt/Polisher/IMG_3657_zpsd6a39997.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone I have the answers for anyone intersted (from everyone's help on this thread and experimenting.)

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Autosol is a very fine abrasive that is designed to be used by hand. Use it if you want but it'll work out more expensive and probably take longer.


This got me thinking and my experiments concur. It is not suited to the very high rpm polishing wheel. If anything I find when the heat is too high and rotations too fast the autosol blackens on the aluminium and its difficult to get these black spots off.

I found using a slower drill with mop worked perfectly with the autosol.

So the answer indeed is no autosol solvol for the proper polishing wheel but compound bars! Solvol is for hand polishing!
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newspaper gets the black off, apparently. I never tried it.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 10 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:12 - 10 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolio wrote:
Very well! Here she is 3000-3600rpm very proud of her.

Can you see the mops blackened and impregnated from the autosol? Is there a way of cleaning them and returning to the compound bars, or should I just go straight back to compound?

I was using brown on the stitched side and blue on the loose leaf side before autosol threw spanners in my world!!

https://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx115/accjnt/Polisher/IMG_3657_zpsd6a39997.jpg


pfft....call that a motor!

heres one of ours

https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/mudcow007/20130510_114511_zps8c0da41d.jpg

https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/mudcow007/20130510_114516_zps684fdfae.jpg

https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/mudcow007/20130510_114519_zps7c627251.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 10 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

But mine has bigger wheels! Very Happy
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