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CaNsA
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Watchdog 8pm BBC1 Reply with quote

Something about potholes and should we be paying for the damage.

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PostPosted: 18:32 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those like me who can't be arsed turning the shit box on:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_one_london/watchlive
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't my council taxes done gone paid for pot hole fixing?
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Councils are responsible for the local roads and the upkeep is paid for through council tax.
The Highways Agency are responsible for the major trunk roads and motorways which is where all the tax disc money gets spent on, allegedly.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Councils are responsible for the local roads and the upkeep is paid for through council tax.
The Highways Agency are responsible for the major trunk roads and motorways which is where all the tax disc money gets spent on, allegedly.


you will find the road license fund has been helping prop up the nhs for the past god knows how many years (somebody has ot pay for foreigners and scroungers "free" healthcare)
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Councils are responsible for the local roads and the upkeep is paid for through council tax.
The Highways Agency are responsible for the major trunk roads and motorways .


True

CaNsA wrote:
which is where all the tax disc money gets spent on, allegedly.


False
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithyithy wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
which is where all the tax disc money gets spent on, allegedly.

False


States "False"
Doesn't explain why.....
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was common knowledge but no worries..

'car tax' or 'road tax' is it's wrongly known in both cases is actually Vehicle Excise Duty, and is based solely on vehicle emissions. Nothing to do with paying for right to use the road, or paying to fund maintenance and repairs, that's what general taxation goes towards.

Council tax goes to your local council, which in turn pays for local repairs and maintenance to the roads under that council (evidence would suggest otherwise though eh?).

General tax pays for everything else, including a lump going to the Highways Agency, that contract out Areas of the UK road network, eg. I work for Amey, we have Area 9 which is basically the A and M roads in the West Midlands, Staffordshire, Shropshire..

We do all the surveying, costing, design etc for these roads, then ask the HA for money for the repairs each year. Could be £20k, could be £1m+, it's a long process..
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that doesn't surprise me in the least. We originally paid rates which covered things like the police, refuse, repairs etc now they are telling us we have to pay for our refuse collections, We pay more to the local councils now and get far less services for it.....go reckon??? Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinda off topic but has anyone else found that potholes are in the best locations such as on roundabouts, junctions etc where it's almost impossible to avoid or look like a twat in doing so Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best pothole I have seen around wigan is on Manchester road. Council filled a large pothole, with a nice big square of Tarmac, pitty the corner of the pothole was outside of there square, so there is still a pothole there with a nice strait line of Tarmac across the middle of it Sad you think that the person filling the pothole would have just finished filling it, but no just left a bit of it not filled in.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:
Kinda off topic but has anyone else found that potholes are in the best locations such as on roundabouts, junctions etc where it's almost impossible to avoid or look like a twat in doing so Laughing


Blame wagons Laughing those going round roundabouts, or turning out of junctions is what rips the top layer apart and creates pot holes
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithyithy wrote:
I thought it was common knowledge but no worries..

'car tax' or 'road tax' is it's wrongly known in both cases is actually Vehicle Excise Duty, and is based solely on vehicle emissions. Nothing to do with paying for right to use the road, or paying to fund maintenance and repairs, that's what general taxation goes towards.

Council tax goes to your local council, which in turn pays for local repairs and maintenance to the roads under that council (evidence would suggest otherwise though eh?).

General tax pays for everything else, including a lump going to the Highways Agency, that contract out Areas of the UK road network, eg. I work for Amey, we have Area 9 which is basically the A and M roads in the West Midlands, Staffordshire, Shropshire..

We do all the surveying, costing, design etc for these roads, then ask the HA for money for the repairs each year. Could be £20k, could be £1m+, it's a long process..


This is all undoubtedly true now.

But...before the link was made between emissions and road tax, what was the justification for vehicle excise duty?

I could be wrong, but it was widely believed it was to pay for the upkeep of roads?
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:
Kinda off topic but has anyone else found that potholes are in the best locations such as on roundabouts, junctions etc where it's almost impossible to avoid or look like a twat in doing so Laughing


Like this?

https://i.imgur.com/FhgSQaH.png

Theres a website called fixmystreet.com where you can complain about streetlights/potholes etc and they sent a formal email to the council to fix it. They fixed the ones in the picture above, in my email i mentioned they were dangerous and I had to swerve to avoid them on my motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithyithy wrote:
rac3r wrote:
Kinda off topic but has anyone else found that potholes are in the best locations such as on roundabouts, junctions etc where it's almost impossible to avoid or look like a twat in doing so Laughing


Blame wagons Laughing those going round roundabouts, or turning out of junctions is what rips the top layer apart and creates pot holes


It seems incredible that my yard where 45 tonnes of lorries turn regularly on a pinpoint doesn't suffer the same fate.

Maybe if the job was done correctly, the "top layer" wouldn't just rip apart...
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 30 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Councils are shit, it's that simple Laughing

I wish in a way, companies like ours could absorb the minor roads within our Area.. We've got the scheme in Birmingham though..
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithyithy wrote:
'car tax' or 'road tax' is it's wrongly known in both cases is actually Vehicle Excise Duty, and is based solely on vehicle emissions. Nothing to do with paying for right to use the road,

This pish again?

It's entirely about purchasing access to public roads. Don't want to use the public roads, declare SORN. Want to use the public roads, pay VED.

Really, what part of that is confusing?
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
smithyithy wrote:
'car tax' or 'road tax' is it's wrongly known in both cases is actually Vehicle Excise Duty, and is based solely on vehicle emissions. Nothing to do with paying for right to use the road,

This pish again?

It's entirely about purchasing access to public roads. Don't want to use the public roads, declare SORN. Want to use the public roads, pay VED.

Really, what part of that is confusing?


I don't mean it like that, obviously if you don't pay your VED, you can't be on the road.. I mean in the way that not every vehicle has to pay it, ie. zero emission cars, cyclists etc. If VED paid for road maintence then that wouldn't be the case, because a zero emission 4x4 still wears away the road..
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Footists, pedalists, horsists and some electropedalists are exempt enjoy an unconditional right to use the road.

All motor vehicles have to obtain a VED license to use the public road.
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

All motor vehicles have to obtain a VED license to use the public road.


Yup - even if the cost is £0.

Agricultural vehicles and classic cars spring to mind.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know they have to in order to use the public road, the original point is that VED / road tax, whatever you want to call it, doesn't pay for road MAINTENANCE. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've been using the fixmystreet site also, all the ones i've reported have been fixed, though I did state they were dangerous for motorcycles so maybe that encouraged them.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time I write up a design report, I state something along the lines of '..poses a severe safety hazard for the travelling public, in particular motorcycles..' Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nandonian wrote:
Theres a website called fixmystreet.com where you can complain about streetlights/potholes etc and they sent a formal email to the council to fix it..


Without going in to the boring details of why, you're better off using a council's own web form if they have one.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 31 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
It seems incredible that my yard where 45 tonnes of lorries turn regularly on a pinpoint doesn't suffer the same fate.

Maybe if the job was done correctly, the "top layer" wouldn't just rip apart...



I think it also involves the copious amounts of diesel spilled on the roundabouts, which slowly dissolves the black, sticky part of the tarmac.
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