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| ocatoro |
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 Posted: 12:49 - 18 Jun 2013 Post subject: "pulled" by the police lastnight |
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was riding home from seeing a mate in gloucester last night, circa 0230 in lampeter, ceredigion.
I have been told there's some sort of local by law that if they follow and you don't stop, they have to leave it be so as not to make you speed and die.... potentially. not sure if this is bullshit or not, but the coppers behaviour certainly lent credence to the idea...
rather than let me pass, turn and follow me, and pull me over... they swerved right in front of me blocking both sides of the road (volvo estate).... and slapped the blues on as they did it.
I had to slam on the brakes pretty sharpish as they didn't leave me much room.
he claimed it was because there'd been a lot of theft and he had to do a vehicle check.
is it not dangerous as hell to just swerve a car into the path of a motorcycle? especially if it's in order to avoid chasing them and potentially injuring the rider... seems a quicker way to cause an accident to me. ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
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Come on, who among us given the chance to pretend to be the sweeny wouldn't be swerving in front of other vehicles to stop them rather than a lacklustre flash from behind. Hell I'd be out and sliding across the bonnet at every stop for good measure. ____________________ And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?
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I'm actually ambivalent on this one, depending on how close you were when they pulled the handbrake.
OK, they were doing a Sweeny, but... they saw an oncoming headlight, it was the Thieving Hour, and bikes do get nicked a lot.
There's also a reasonable chance that the rider was either under the influence of or doing deliveries of Certain Substances.
So I'd call that actual policing. Bit annoying if they make a habit of it, but if it was a quick check and then on-your-way... sorry, I'm not feeling the rage.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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wasnt so much rage as wondering if these "do not chase" bylaws are actually real or not.
and the dangerous way in which i was stopped.
as i mentioned in my other reply, i've been stopped for far less likely reasons. and in general i do get stopped a lot so i'm used to it. the joys of dyfed powys police.
like you say, at least they are checking bikes aren't stolen.
didn't check the bike though... just ran the plate and checked my insurance on the radio. ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
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| ocatoro wrote: | wasnt so much rage as wondering if these "do not chase" bylaws are actually real or not. |
no its not a law or bylaw that they cant chase bikes. its just not the preferred option because of the danger. ____________________ Current : '08 Yamaha FZ1s
Previous: '99 Honda CBR 600FX, 03 ZX636 B1H, 99 Fazer 600 (red), 02 GSX-R 600 K2, 00 SV650s (red), 2008 ZX10R, 97 Bandit 1200N, 04 ZX6RR K1H, 04 GSX-R 1000, 98 Fazer 600 (gold), 05 Madness 110 Pit bike, 04 CR125R, 00 SV650s (black), 06 KTM 625 SMC, 99 SRAD 600 track bike, 03 SV650, 98 Bandit 1200N, Bandit 600SY, 03 GSX-R 600 K3, 01 GSX-R 600, 01 Fazer 600 (black), VFR 400 NC30 x3, 78 Honda Dream, 00 Speedfight 50 |
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The sadistic policemen around my way seem to enjoy blasting their sirens just as they pass unsuspecting motorcyclists coming the other way... I can only imagine they are frustrated about not having guns so have to find other ways to murder innocent people  ____________________ Previous Bikes: 2006 Honda XR125L > 2003 Yamaha DT125R > 1996 Honda CB500
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youre right, there are a few good eggs. but on the whole i think their lack of things to do makes them target motorists on cockamamy "crackdowns" of varying sorts. they have even started demanding the details and production of identification from passengers in our cars despite having no power or reason to do so. ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
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| jnw010 wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | they saw an oncoming headlight, it was the Thieving Hour, and bikes do get nicked a lot.
There's also a reasonable chance that the rider was either under the influence of or doing deliveries of Certain Substances.
So I'd call that actual policing. |
Seriously? Anyone who rides late at night is either a thief, drug dealer or a piss head?
Doesn't seem that reasonable to me. |
Depends where you put the stress.
For example: they don't need to have any reason to pull anyone over, at any time.
Small hours, they had nothing better to do, why not see if all's well?
I'm actually quite pleased to hear that there were some coppers on duty and patrolling at that time. Round my gaff you're (un)lucky to see one after 7pm, and then they'll be on their way to a "Shannel pure texted me that mah Kappa trackies are minging, that's so totally harassment" emergency. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Furthermore, did a bike matching yours get reported stolen that night? If not, what grounds did he have for stopping you? Sounds like bollocks to me. |
There doesn't have to be a bike matching the OP's and stolen that night, in order to justify a stop. You're confusing reasonable suspicion (required for s.1 PACE and similar searches) with elements of Road Traffic Act 1988.
A police officer in uniform can stop a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road in order to inspect the driver's credentials (i.e licence etc) at any time. It's as simple as that.
Sections 163 and onwards - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/contents
That said, bike thieves don't go out and steal the exact same make and model of bike each night. One night they might bag a KTM or a Suzuki, the next night a Honda - trailies and quads are popular targets for theft, so I'd stop them at night especially if anywhere near where previous similar thefts have occurred.
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i was questioned and had checks run on me and my passenger last year sitting in a rover hatchback eating biscuits up on the mountains. because of some recent "gate thefts" ... because farm gates are easily concealed in a rover 216 aren't they.
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Remove the rear seat and there's suddenly a lot of room in the rear of a family hatchback. Plenty of room to bolt in a tank for carrying away stolen diesel, etc ...
| Rogerborg wrote: | | ocatoro wrote: | wasnt so much rage as wondering if these "do not chase" bylaws are actually real or not. |
It'll be Farce policy.
File a FOI, although they may reject it as "protected operational information". |
Don't bother with an FoI request, the information's in the public domain already. The thrust of it, if you search for ACPO and individual force polices is that motorcycles can be pursued, but there are few tactics available to bring them to a stop (other than in extreme circumstances.) Other options are then looked at i.e. trace the person involved by other means, use a helicopter etc. ____________________ Power Ranger  |
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Thankfully I didn't get pulled over today (excessive speeding around a roundabout with foot pegs scrapping the floor) saw the police car, gradually slowed down and continued to ride casually with him up my arse, until we went passed the police station where he turned in; thankfully it was about 12:30 so he might of been hungry.
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They should have just 'double tapped' you in the back of the head.
Sorted...
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Cops just ain't what the used to be back in the day of 'proper coppers' - I would say you were very well treated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYeNuCTf_PE
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