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 Posted: 14:44 - 25 Jun 2013 Post subject: Petrol station fuel thefts by helmeted bikers |
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Pip pip. Following a previous thread, I've just got the results back from a FOI to Northamptonshire Police about what proportion of fuel thefts are committed by bikers.
It's all ropey scanned documents, so I'll have to transcribe.
Between April 2012 and March 2013 there were 1126 reported fuel thefts in Northamptonshire. The vehicle used was not recorded. However, 10 (ten) of the theft reports included a reference to a helmet. We'll charitably assume that means a helmet that wasn't removed, shall we?
I make that less than 1%. For perhaps 1/4 to 1/5 of the amount that can be taken in a car. So by value about 0.2% of fuel thefts.
The recommendations given by Northamptonshire Police to filling stations wrote: |
Beware of large vehicles
In this example, the motorcyclist is using the delivery truck as cover.
The rider is also still wearing his crash helmet making identification impossible.
Recommended Action
If you can't see the pump and who's at it, don't authorise it.
Make sure you can see customers' faces
Here both bikers are using the same pump to refuel.
Neither riders have removed their crash helmets
One of the bikes is not displaying a registration place.
Recommended Action
Don't authorise the pump, request pre-payment.
In summary...
Common Signs
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Bikers not removing their crash helmets.
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That's "common" in the sense of 10 in a year, or maybe £150 worth of fuel. Retail, I mean, do you have to pay duty and VAT on fuel that wasn't actually sold?
And that £150 of fuel is why Northamptonshire Police want all bikers to be asked to remove helmets every time. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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MarkJ wrote: | What did you write and how much did it cost? I might write to South Yorkshire Police... |
Costs nothing, it couldn't be simpler at www.whatdotheyknow.com
Rogerborg wrote: | I write with regard to the Northamptonshire Police policy of requesting filling stations to require motorcyclists to remove helmets. An example of a sign referencing this policy can be found here:
[img on BCF  ]
Please provide:
Any statistics that you hold regarding drive-away fuel thefts in your Force area, and specifically those committed by helmeted motorcyclists.
Complete, unredacted copies of any emails(s), letter(s) or other media that have been communicated by Northamptonshire Police to filling stations regarding this issue.
Any memos, minutes or other documentation relevant to the internal discussions that resulted in this policy being enacted. I am particularly interested in the evidence (if any) that has led to this policy decision, and any records of an expectation that it will result in a drop in crime. |
Oh, right, that last bit was just for laughs, I've never had anyone provide that.
In this case, it was hand-waved away as "general advice / guidance given to petrol retailers [...] there is no policy."
Which doesn't actually answer what I asked for, but since it's not really my intention to noise them up, I haven't pressed that point. I'll go ahead and interpret it as "We have no idea why we're doing this, it was some Super needing an example of 'pro-actively leveraging partnerships' for his evaluation."
If they want another inference to be drawn, they could have answered the question. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I was wondering what the etiquette for filling up was. I take my helmet off just incase they think I'm going to rob the place, never thought about riding off without paying (maybe cos a tenner or so fills the tank) =) ____________________ Yamaha MT-03 '08 (crashed)
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It does at least give the lie to the hilarious claims that it's got anything at all to do with age verification, or licensing laws, or dangerous fumes filling up our lids or any of that other twonk that's been peddled.
It's purely because they think we'll ride away with the precious fuel of the shop. Which hits the retailer (to an essentially trivial degree) but perhaps as importantly makes the crime figures for the local Constabulary infinitesimally worse, and we can't be having that.
Which I think we all knew anyway, but it's nice to see it confirmed. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I never take mine of, but I turn up on a bike with a full-sized number plate, take my gloves off, keys out, don't hide or use the pump nearest the exit ..
.. and I usually fill up at pre-pay pumps now too, locally at least. ____________________ Power Ranger  |
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Never take mine off. Been told to remove twice in 6 years so far. Even with wind mask balaclava visible inside helmet never have an issue and havent scared any of the counter staff so far
Next test shall be a ''gimme all the money'' shirt over leathers
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 339 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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