Petrol station fuel thefts by helmeted bikers

[Rogerborg]

Pip pip. Following a previous thread, I've just got the results back from a FOI to Northamptonshire Police about what proportion of fuel thefts are committed by bikers.

It's all ropey scanned documents, so I'll have to transcribe.

Between April 2012 and March 2013 there were 1126 reported fuel thefts in Northamptonshire. The vehicle used was not recorded. However, 10 (ten) of the theft reports included a reference to a helmet. We'll charitably assume that means a helmet that wasn't removed, shall we?

I make that less than 1%. For perhaps 1/4 to 1/5 of the amount that can be taken in a car. So by value about 0.2% of fuel thefts.

[MarkJ]

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[Troy92]

Take off helmet, try to hide face and slap on a burka

[Knightsy]

Better yet: Put a burqa over the lid and see what happens
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[metalangel]

Is one of the images on the documents this?

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[MarkJ]

What did you write and how much did it cost? I might write to South Yorkshire Police...

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[Kris]

Nice one!
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[MC]

I was wondering what the etiquette for filling up was. I take my helmet off just incase they think I'm going to rob the place, never thought about riding off without paying (maybe cos a tenner or so fills the tank) =)
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[scorps]

I shall have to try that with my full face neoprene mask, will take my helmet off but not the mask. I will report back with my findings
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[Rogerborg]

It does at least give the lie to the hilarious claims that it's got anything at all to do with age verification, or licensing laws, or dangerous fumes filling up our lids or any of that other twonk that's been peddled.

It's purely because they think we'll ride away with the precious fuel of the shop. Which hits the retailer (to an essentially trivial degree) but perhaps as importantly makes the crime figures for the local Constabulary infinitesimally worse, and we can't be having that.

Which I think we all knew anyway, but it's nice to see it confirmed.
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[Rogerborg]

Roger that last transmission.

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[Fruit'n'nut]

I never take mine of, but I turn up on a bike with a full-sized number plate, take my gloves off, keys out, don't hide or use the pump nearest the exit ..


.. and I usually fill up at pre-pay pumps now too, locally at least.
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[-Matt-]

Never take mine off. Been told to remove twice in 6 years so far. Even with wind mask balaclava visible inside helmet never have an issue and havent scared any of the counter staff so far

Next test shall be a ''gimme all the money'' shirt over leathers

In avon somerset area that is

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[suburban myth]

I tend to fill up on my way home from work at something like 5 in the morning and always remove the lid. I do tend to use a petrol station in one of the shadier parts of town though where fuel theft is rife (or at least was when I worked there).

The question re tax payments = Duty yes VAT no.

Bear in mind that most petrol stations aren't actually owned by Shell etc but are effectively selling on license they make a return of something like 5p per litre. A bilking of £10 worth of fuel would be the equivalent commission from 100l of petrol, plus the costs the retailer would still have to front for the duty.

As for the garage monkey if the manager decides he/she is partially at fault then there will likely be a wage deduction to recover the losses. My old gaffer used to only enforce this in the instance of negligence (such as authorising the pump then nipping off to make a brew). Some may interpret a helmet as a disguise and decide this fits the bill too.

Once you get to know the regulars it doesn't really matter but the problem comes when Steve (twice weekly, fills up a P reg CB500) leaves his helmet on but then on the next pump Curtis on his Zip 50 leaves his lid on. Discrimination you say?. Better it's the same for everybody.