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The Disapproving Brit
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Balancing carbs Reply with quote

My engine is 'not quite right' - it's running rich, idling too low, and taking too long for revs to die off, which from what I gather, calls for a carb clean and balance as a starting point. I've had a read up and think I know the gist of how to go about doing this. Just one question - for a 4 valve carb, do I need the 4 set of vacuum gauges, or can I just use the one and move it from carb to carb? For the sake of the £30 difference, does it make more sense just to get the 4 set anyway?
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a minimum of two to allow you to balance as pairs. Two left, two right, middle two. You really should check the air filter and check and adjust the valves first.

I think you need to read a bit more before you attempt it Wink
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need is a few meters of 5mm plastic tubing and some fork oil (or other thick liquid), probably cost a couple of quid for the tubing
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil filter and air filter are both being replaced as part of the same job. 2 gauges takes the difference to about a tenner, so I might as well plump for the 4 set. Bike is off the road for a while until all the issues are sorted, so I've got a bit of time to iron out any gaps in my knowledge.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
All you need is a few meters of 5mm plastic tubing and some fork oil (or other thick liquid), probably cost a couple of quid for the tubing


This sounds very unscientific....I'm intrigued.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
andym wrote:
All you need is a few meters of 5mm plastic tubing and some fork oil (or other thick liquid), probably cost a couple of quid for the tubing


This sounds very unscientific....I'm intrigued.


Google manometer
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are called " manometers" and are far more accurate than a man made pressure gauge ( especially if the man that made them lives in China) as they work on the principle of pure physics not man's mistakes.
Google "manometers".

Edit..... Beat me to it!
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally, I appreciate the ability of seeing all 4 levels at the same time and for me it is worth the extra money for a tool I should have for life.

I'd recommend the morgan carbtune.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned a set of four gauges for many years and need little or no maintenance apart from taking care not to knock or drop them.No fiddling around with Mercury.
If the gauges look like this

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/Picture561.jpg

Then the carbs need balancing to something like this

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/Picture566.jpg

While performing this operation I use an external fuel supply

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/Picture564.jpg

Works a treat Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:


While performing this operation I use an external fuel supply

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/Picture564.jpg

Works a treat Thumbs Up


This method is SO much better than trying to balance your fuel tank on your seat backwards and all the similar related pissing about that goes on. I really need to make or buy one of those fuel tanks at some point. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Balancing carbs Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
it's running rich, idling too low, and taking too long for revs to die off,


Are you sure?

Revs that hang high before dropping is usually a sign of lean running rich mixtures tend to bog down below idle when the throttle is closed.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Balancing carbs Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:

Are you sure?

Revs that hang high before dropping is usually a sign of lean running rich mixtures tend to bog down below idle when the throttle is closed.


I thought lean - it's very quick to stall if there's no choke even after a long ride. But there's a strong smell from the exhaust which I'm told means it's running rich.

Whichever it is, cleaning and balancing the carbs, then resetting the idle from scratch, should be the answer, right?
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also be inclined to set the idle mixture screws back to factory if it's an idle issue/easy to stall
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
I'd also be inclined to set the idle mixture screws back to factory if it's an idle issue/easy to stall


That's the plan. I learned that it was sat in a yard for a few years before I bought it, so it probably had just enough work done to get it to run well enough to sell. That being the case, it's due a bit of TLC to restore a bit of its former glory.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than balance the tank somewhere on the bike, would it not be common sense to just buy a length of fuel line and an inline filter. Then the tank can go somewhere more secure?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
andym wrote:
All you need is a few meters of 5mm plastic tubing and some fork oil (or other thick liquid), probably cost a couple of quid for the tubing


This sounds very unscientific....I'm intrigued.


Tubes need to be longer (or use less fluid) - I had some problems with the fluid going over the top loops when it was too imbalanced.

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PostPosted: 23:07 - 23 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This ebay product is very similar to what I utilise

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-AUXILIARY-SPARE-FUEL-TANK-ENGINE-TUNING-GASGAS-MOTOCROSS-ENDURO-TRIALS-/190812332608
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