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PostPosted: 13:59 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Scamming MOT scum Reply with quote

Car failed its MOT last week for 'excessively corroded suspension bushes', 'headlight aim incorrect' and 'plate light blown'.
They wanted nearly £400 for the bushes, and £30 quid each for headlight aim and plate bulb.
Told them where to stick it and got myself booked in to someone for today.
Surprise surprise, it failed again, but this time none of the above was mentioned.
This time it was for 'exposed wires by headlights'!
They want £85 EACH SIDE, to rewire! Told the guy I can get electrical tape for a quid, and got a jobsworth response about fire safety.

I need to find a "guaranteed pass" station asap! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't suspension bushes usually rubber? I've never seen excessively corroded rubber before.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Aren't suspension bushes usually rubber? I've never seen excessively corroded rubber before.

They are and they can deteriorate and break down.
You can get polyurethane ones as an alternative. Never known they were so expensive as separate part. IIRC you should be able to just change the bushes. So suspect that's for some sort of complete suspension change. What car make/model?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repair the defective insulation with self amalgamating tape. Instant and permanent repair.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a Pug 206 D Turbo.
The fail sheet from last week says "lower wishbone rubber bush deteriorated resulting in excessive movement". Same thing both near and offside.
I just find it sickening that the next place didn't even mention it but picked up on something totally different that again they tried to charge a bomb for.
Aren't mot stations moderated?
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
Its a Pug 206 D Turbo.
The fail sheet from last week says "lower wishbone rubber bush deteriorated resulting in excessive movement". Same thing both near and offside.
I just find it sickening that the next place didn't even mention it but picked up on something totally different that again they tried to charge a bomb for.
Aren't mot stations moderated?


It's down to the opinion of the tester. In that case I'd say that replacing the bushes might actually make the car handle better. If you look at it like that it's not that expensive.

However, I suspect if you go to GSF or Euro car parts you can probably buy an entire lower wishbone assembly for about £40 each side including new bushes. This will save lots of labour as you won't have to cut out the old bushes and press the new ones in.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you REALLY want someone to take the piss with an MOT, take it to Halfrauds.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
Its a Pug 206 D Turbo.
The fail sheet from last week says "lower wishbone rubber bush deteriorated resulting in excessive movement". ...
Hmmmm! From here (click for fiche) not too expensive for petrol version (CBA to find diesel, you try).

fox wrote:
Aren't mot stations moderated?
Yes.
It comes under VOSA.
Some help on complaining here.
Although I expect there's lots of get out clauses like allowing them to charge what they like for repairs. Plus god knows how long it'd be before anyone actually visits rather than a 'friendly' phone call. However, if you think they're just inventing stuff then it might be worth a shot.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you can get a pair for a 306 with bushes for less than £40:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=Peugeot+306+lower+wishbone+assembly&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.XPeugeot+306+lower+wishbone+assembly+diesel.TRS0&_nkw=Peugeot+30

Get the car up on axle stands, remove bolts, replace wishbone, jack up front wheel slightly to meet the end of the wishbone, tighten bolts to specified torque. Shouldn't take more than 2 hours.

The number plate light might have blown because of the worn insulation on the wiring. I'd probably disconnect or unsolder it, place a bit of heatshrink tubing over it, and then re solder it, and heat up the tubing to seal it.

None of those jobs are particularly taxing TBH.

Oh, and £30 each for headlight aim? You have to be kidding! it takes about a minute!
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
If you REALLY want someone to take the piss with an MOT, take it to Halfrauds.


Oh dear Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best advice I've got is take it to an MOT station that doesn't do repairs - if they have nothing to gain from failing you then you will get a fair test.

Yes MOT stations are moderated and inspected by VOSA, and when they do inspect they can be quite strict and really anal about tiny little things.... so it might be worth making a complaint.

There are no rules set by them for price of repairs as that is something else entirely, but their testers all have to undergo the exact same tests and should be finding similar if not identical faults. Some amount of opinion is involved when something is only just on the point of wear - but excessive wear should have definitely been noted by both. I would get in touch with VOSA.

My Dad has an MOT station, where are you based?
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
fox wrote:
Aren't mot stations moderated?
Yes.
It comes under VOSA.
Some help on complaining here.

Beat me to it. I would suggest slapping on the self-amalgamating tape, then take it back to the 2nd place for its retest. Print off a VT17 appeal form, fill in your details and tell them that if they want to fail it again, they can go ahead and fill in theirs too.

Pics of wiring?
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Best advice I've got is take it to an MOT station that doesn't do repairs


This.

My local Council has a fleet of cars/vans and do their own MOT's, and as such have to offer that service to the general public. There is no work creation and in Bristol, it's one the cheapest place to get an MOT done / retested.

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/fleet-services

HTH
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
If you REALLY want someone to take the piss with an MOT, take it to Halfrauds.

Oh dear Embarassed


Hahaa! I see what the OP has done. Let me explain one thing about the 'Frauds way of MOTing.
They can't afford to lose their VOSA ticket for that station. They'll be expecting some kind of mystery shopper thing with an MOT every week and they will report everything that needs (or nearly needs) doing. It's a test, and they follow it to the letter of the book.

When I 'worked' at a 'frauds, many, many years ago, some had Daewoo dealerships implanted in them. Three year old cars would come back for their first two MOTs, free. I'd guess about 50% failed, and some of the 'fails' I was party to see were massively pedantic bollockery - but you can't argue as it's in the book in black and white (and rusty coloured fingerprints)
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Scamming MOT scum Reply with quote

Two different sets of fails from two different stations.

Grounds to report them both if you're not taking them back there?

(Not sure how it works reporting them for stuff they DIDN'T get, presuming each one is legitimate.)

However, yes, tape up the wiring appropriate and take it back.

Note that apparantly some VOSA people (not sure if it's the same ones that do car MOTs) can be VERY picky.
Thankfully the one that did my annual test, while he was thorough, was also a reasonable human being Thumbs Up.
£200 for test and retest, still, hover Shocked .
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
This.

My local Council has a fleet of cars/vans and do their own MOT's, and as such have to offer that service to the general public. There is no work creation and in Bristol, it's one the cheapest place to get an MOT done / retested.

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/fleet-services

HTH


Our local council do something similar. They don't fix cars so they have no interest in failing it on something just to make money.

Testers do get checked by VOSA on occasion. My local bike MOT guy was telling me they parked round the corner from his workshop and watched a vehicle being booked onto the computer system then signed off. Then they stopped it as it came round the corner and brought it back to see if he'd missed anything.

Nothing serious but the rider was none too happy because it made him late for work. No option for a deferred test when it's an official VOSA inspector either.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scamming MOT scum, or pissed off driver trying to cheapskate through the test?

Seems like you've got faulty wiring, faulty lighting and faulty suspension, some or all of which could be construed as being bad enough to fail the test.

If you maintained your car better, it wouldn't have failed the test at all.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a fail certificate from one station that lists one set of repairs, and then you go to another station that misses all that and mentions just one totally different repair.... Can you take their fail sheets to the press or something? It'd make a nice little public outcry so the local papers would probably be happy to publish it, and it'd boot them all into line sharpish.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be phoning VOSA later today. I took a 'ped for a MOT. I knew I had issues when he refused to believe that the headlights only had on and off and had to check with someone else that it was ok. He failed it for not having a number plate light Rolling Eyes I pointed out that it was 12 years old and had never had a light, it didn't need one. He shouts to his mate who replies, yeah it's illegal, everything has to have one.

He then spent 15 minutes trying to find out how he put it down as a fail since it isn't on the list of items to be checked. He ended up typing it in.

Idiots!
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:00 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
I'll be phoning VOSA later today. I took a 'ped for a MOT. I knew I had issues when he refused to believe that the headlights only had on and off and had to check with someone else that it was ok. He failed it for not having a number plate light Rolling Eyes I pointed out that it was 12 years old and had never had a light, it didn't need one. He shouts to his mate who replies, yeah it's illegal, everything has to have one.

He then spent 15 minutes trying to find out how he put it down as a fail since it isn't on the list of items to be checked. He ended up typing it in.

Idiots!


I'm kind of with him on that one, I thought you needed a number plate light too? every bike I've owned has has one (and car obviously)
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
If you have a fail certificate from one station that lists one set of repairs, and then you go to another station that misses all that and mentions just one totally different repair.... Can you take their fail sheets to the press or something? It'd make a nice little public outcry so the local papers would probably be happy to publish it, and it'd boot them all into line sharpish.


Be careful what you wish for. Everyone seems to be assuming that this is a work creation exercise, when it could be a jobsworth tester picking up on everything, plus a more lenient tester who happened to catch the lights. "Booting them all into line" might make them more consistent, but it will also remove what little discretion they do have.
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:52 - 16 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
If you have a fail certificate from one station that lists one set of repairs, and then you go to another station that misses all that and mentions just one totally different repair.... Can you take their fail sheets to the press or something? It'd make a nice little public outcry so the local papers would probably be happy to publish it, and it'd boot them all into line sharpish.


Be careful what you wish for. Everyone seems to be assuming that this is a work creation exercise, when it could be a jobsworth tester picking up on everything, plus a more lenient tester who happened to catch the lights. "Booting them all into line" might make them more consistent, but it will also remove what little discretion they do have.


Should still boot them into line Very Happy

Every tester should check the same thing by the same standards Thumbs Up
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