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gmc38609
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Rear Spocket Change Reply with quote

Hello,

Can I just change the rear sprocket on my bike to a larger one without having to replace the other sprocket and chain?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should replace all sprockets and chain at the same time really, just going to wear faster than normal if you dont.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Re: Rear Spocket Change Reply with quote

gmc38609 wrote:
Hello,

Can I just change the rear sprocket on my bike to a larger one without having to replace the other sprocket and chain?


Yes, but the chain's gonna be too short I'm afraid. If you want it to be swifter, change the front sprocket for smaller one, cut and shorten the chain, if needed, and you're good to go. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do you put a bigger one on the back a smaller one on the front as well?

Also would this make a considerable difference in pulling away speed ?
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever been on a mountain bike? Imagine all those cogs and gears you can ''create'' with combining them together.

It goes:
Smaller front sprocket = acceleration // worse mpg, more rpm/heat
Bigger front sprocket = speed // better mpg, less rpm/heat
Smaller rear sprocket = speed // better mpg, less rpm/heat
Bigger rear sprocket = acceleration // worse mpg, more rpm/heat

If you get some specs to your bike you will certainly find what sizes of sprockets you can use. I personally have experience with 44 teeth rear sprocket then 40 teeth on NC27. It felt so fast and powerful, got up to the top of 190kph, terrible mpg, a bit more heat and I hit the rev limiter at 6th at those 190kph. Plus I could ride at 6th all day long from 50kph up to the top. With 40 teeth it went alright, the top moved to 5th gear (180+kph) and it had better mpg and ran much cooler but I had to use the gearbox more often to keep it at revs.

I'd go for smaller front, it's easier to shorten the chain rather than putting there another links to have it long enough. I had to cut 2 links from my chain to fit there 40 teeth sprocket (previous owner put there the 44).
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your best bet is to stick a red power band on it.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a naked bike so really never gonna go much faster than 80mph

So I am looking for it to pull away quicker without it effecting mpg or heat to much
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmc38609 wrote:
I have a naked bike so really never gonna go much faster than 80mph

So I am looking for it to pull away quicker without it effecting mpg or heat to much


What kind of bike is that? Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda Hornet 600 anything over 80 is so uncomfortable due to wind it just aint worth going faster lol
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
A smally front sprocket will have the same effect as a larger rear sprocket, i.e. higher top speed (up until drag oversomes the power of the bike) but lower acceleration.

The above is a classic example of why you should take a lot of what you read on 't'net with a pinch of salt.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmc38609 wrote:
Honda Hornet 600 anything over 80 is so uncomfortable due to wind it just aint worth going faster lol


Alright, I thought it was some sort of 125cc rocket. It is as I've said it. Just imagine what cog does what on a mountain bike. Hornet's got enough torque to profit from the sprocket change. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not always an exact science with sprocket size and mpg though!


I can actually wring more out of my ZZR 600 with a minus three front sprocket than I could with a -3 rear (which is same as a +1 front).


Stock gearing would give 40-50mpg
+1 front would give constant 45mpg

-3 gives 35 to 55+ dependant on riding

With a short gearing the bike pulls better at low revs in top gear so can be ridden like a nob which is brilliant fun, or can be carefully commuted on
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a Hornet, tank range is not something you should really care about, just make sure you know the local petrol stations well.

Sure, downgear it, I've seen CBR600F's with 15/58 setups for stunting so the engine can take it.

Bigger rear/smaller front = better acceleration at the cost of speed.
Bigger front/smaller rear = loss of acceleration but might eek a few more MPH out of your bike.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Bigger front/smaller rear = loss of acceleration but might eek a few more MPH out of your bike.

If and only if you do a lot of riding in top gear. Otherwise it's just a case of changing up earlier.

I've just gone down a front tooth on ze Beemer and over a tank of fuel got exactly the same indicated 62mpg from ze Computer, including some motorway miles. I still run out of guts before the bike does. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg, wheelie king Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say just do it, loose 2 teeth on the front, if it's possible and you'll see. Maybe you're not going to need to cut the chain at all, so if you won't be happy, you can change it back. Thumbs Up

It will give you some fake torque and ponies. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The front sprocket will always wear more than the rear as each tooth has more work to do due to the reduction ratio. Change both and a new chain.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
The front sprocket will always wear more than the rear as each tooth has more work to do due to the reduction ratio. Change both and a new chain.


This ^+1
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
A smally front sprocket will have the same effect as a larger rear sprocket, i.e. higher top speed (up until drag oversomes the power of the bike) but lower acceleration.

The above is a classic example of why you should take a lot of what you read on 't'net with a pinch of salt.


Balls.

Note to self, never post technical stuff after drinking loads of stella...
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
The front sprocket will always wear more than the rear as each tooth has more work to do due to the reduction ratio. Change both and a new chain.


If OP wants to just try it, then I'd just change the front one and shorten the chain (if needed). Front sprocket is about 15 pounds and the work is for free and sort of a part of the reward. What I mean is, OP's gonna have to change the chain and sprockets in the future anyway, this way he can try different ratio for 15 pouds and then decide if he wants it this way or not.

Why I'm telling you this, there is a possibility that the change of the ratio won't be exactly what OP was looking for, and I think it is a waste of money to buy a brand new chain twice. Thumbs Up

EDIT: One more thing, you have to be certain that you can use smaller front sprocket, I do know my mate had one tooth less on the front sprocket of his CB500 and it worked. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, I can't get my head round the advantage of binning thousands of miles of usable wear in order to... uh... avoid getting the most use out of those components. Eh?

Paddy wrote:
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The "650" is higher geared than the F800GS that it's based on. It made 2nd just a bit too long, and all the shifting between 1st and 2nd was putting premature wear on my slipper.

No, I did not change the chain, rear, or my baffies as well as the front. Razz
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