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PostPosted: 10:11 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Restricting a 1150 GS Reply with quote

Hi,

I currently have an A2 restricted licence and I really want a 1200 GS.
Unfortunately they are above the 95bhp so I can't legally ride them.
The 1150 however is 85bhp so I can legally restrict it.
How/where can I get it restricted? Fiinternational only make a 33bhp restrictor for it.


At the moment it is a toss up between the new F800 GS and the 1150. I would much prefer the 1150 though as I can pick one up very cheap compared to the F800 GS which is about £4000 more expensive.




I always have 0 interest in getting a CB400 and slowing working my way up to bigger bikes.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not familiar with the licensing rules or what you're trying to restrict it to, but if it is 33hp, that's a big heavy bike that will really be quite slow without any power. Might be worth thinking about (unless it's a very temporary restriction Wink ).
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
I'm not familiar with the licensing rules or what you're trying to restrict it to, but if it is 33hp, that's a big heavy bike that will really be quite slow without any power. Might be worth thinking about (unless it's a very temporary restriction Wink ).



I want to restrict it to 47bhp as I agree 33bhp is too low for such a big bike. I am unfamiliar with how restrictor kits work but I am hoping it only restricts the top end speed.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems you have your heart set on a GS or some sort. However, if your restricted to a 33bhp licence I would suggest you get something lighter. The 1150 comes in at 229kg (According to MCN); thats a lot of weight for a 33bhp engine to be pulling around.

I have a restricted CB500 which is 56kg lighter than the 1150 and even that doesn't feel particularly fast, I wouldn't be suprised if you struggle to get even 250cc speeds out of a 229kg machine restricted to 33bhp. If you really must have a BMW adventure bike, the older 650's can be picked up pretty cheap now and is a much more sensible weight for a 33bhp licence.

Thats just my advise however. At the end of the day its your money so your choice.

Also, I don't think the 33bhp licences have a maximum original power output anyway, so technically you could have a 1200 if you can find a restrictor for it (which I would be suprised if you could). But again, it would be silly restricting a bike to less than half its power.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP has an A2 license. 35kW, not 25kW.

35kW will be £176 plus postage plus fitting, sir.

Alternatively, you can call the nearest dyno place and ask them about fitting a custom throttle restrictor, which is what you're likely to get for your £176 plus postage plus fitting.

I wouldn't expect it to come in much cheaper though, I saw one chap on a Moto Guzzi who'd paid £200 for an admittedly very nice bright blue screw to be put on his throttle body. It literally just stops the throttle from fully opening, there's no magic to it. Some bikes are restricted by electronical kajiggers, but you're only likely to get those from the manufacturer, and for modern bikes.

I'll note that what your insurer will want to see (if anything) is something that looks like an invoice for fitting that screw, not the screw itself. If you're bothered about being tugged and dynod, well, I reckon you're far more likely to be killed or seriously injured on any given ride.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So which licence do you have, 33 or 47? If it's 33 then you can restrict a fireblade o if you wanted to as there is no maximum original output.

It doesn't really just effect the top speed, though in fairness on a torquey twin you may notice the restriction far less than on a revvy il4.

Why you'd want a gs of any sort is beyond me :p
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Restricting a 1150 GS Reply with quote

twizzted1337 wrote:





I always have 0 interest in getting a CB400 and slowing working my way up to bigger bikes.


Why? What's the obsession with bigger bikes about? A restricted 1150 would be both very cumbersome and pointless. Why strangle a large heavy bike when you could have something that goes well and feels right that comes in far closer to the power restriction as standard. A CB400 to me against a restricted GS would be more desirable any day of the week.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Restricting a 1150 GS Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
twizzted1337 wrote:





I always have 0 interest in getting a CB400 and slowing working my way up to bigger bikes.


Why? What's the obsession with bigger bikes about? A restricted 1150 would be both very cumbersome and pointless. Why strangle a large heavy bike when you could have something that goes well and feels right that comes in far closer to the power restriction as standard. A CB400 to me against a restricted GS would be more desirable any day of the week.


Well if the restriction only effects to the top speed, I can live with that. I am assuming with a throttle restriction that will be the case.

I have an A2 licence the 47bhp/35KW one.
Yea, I love the 1200 GS, I have had a chance to go on one and I think they feel great and look fantastic.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Restricting a 1150 GS Reply with quote

twizzted1337 wrote:
Hi,

I currently have an A2 restricted licence and I really want a 1200 GS.
Unfortunately they are above the 95bhp so I can't legally ride them.
The 1150 however is 85bhp so I can legally restrict it.
How/where can I get it restricted? Fiinternational only make a 33bhp restrictor for it.


At the moment it is a toss up between the new F800 GS and the 1150. I would much prefer the 1150 though as I can pick one up very cheap compared to the F800 GS which is about £4000 more expensive.




I always have 0 interest in getting a CB400 and slowing working my way up to bigger bikes.


The 1100gs will feel a bit 'throttled' with half it's HP removed.
But it will still be usable. Although regrettably dour in the performance department.

As suggested, look for a lighter bike.

But I am making a wild assumption you want to buy the 1100 and use until you get the A1 (or whatevathefuck they call the full UK Motorcycle Licence these days) and then unrestrict the beast.

I would still advise a lighter bike until then.

And restriction is not simply Top end speed, it is still Power and it's 'negative' effects if un-controlled. Very Happy

As Rogerborg has eloquently intimated it is not just the speed that will Kill or Seriously Injure you. Cool
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

monteme0 wrote:
It seems you have your heart set on a GS or some sort. However, if your restricted to a 33bhp licence I would suggest you get something lighter. The 1150 comes in at 229kg (According to MCN); thats a lot of weight for a 33bhp engine to be pulling around.


I've got a ZZR600 restricted to 33bhp and it's quite happy (and not much lighter)

It doesn't like rapid acceleration without downchanging unless you've kept the revs above 5k but other than that seems happy enough.


beware of FI International, expensive and liars
My restriction kit cost £30 complete with certificate, FI international wanted £200 and claim the certificate must be in your name to be valid.

In reality a piece of loo roll marked in felt tip saying "I certify this bike is restricted to 47.5bhp" and signed would be as legally binding.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a similar styled bike, what about the BMW F800GS? A friends has one and it's not bad at all, not too different from the big GS bikes, but manageable under restricted power.

The F800 can be restricted to 33bhp, so 47bhp won't be a problem.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
If you want a similar styled bike, what about the BMW F800GS? A friends has one and it's not bad at all, not too different from the big GS bikes, but manageable under restricted power.

The F800 can be restricted to 33bhp, so 47bhp won't be a problem.


I might well do that, they look great. Bit pricey though.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
If you want a similar styled bike, what about the BMW F800GS? A friends has one and it's not bad at all, not too different from the big GS bikes, but manageable under restricted power.

The F800 can be restricted to 33bhp, so 47bhp won't be a problem.


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I would much prefer the 1150 though as I can pick one up very cheap compared to the F800 GS which is about £4000 more expensive.

As Op said in the 1st post....

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As Rogerborg has eloquently intimated it is not just the speed that will Kill or Seriously Injure you.


This is true.....
It is how fast you STOP, that kills you Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

twizzted1337 wrote:
I am unfamiliar with how restrictor kits work but I am hoping it only restricts the top end speed.

Oddly enough, it doesn't just restrict top end speed, but it restricts power. To 47hp, specifically.

The 1150GS is particularly heavy, 1200 a bit lighter but still not great.
They are geared fairly low to make up for this.

A CBR400 will be a lot more spritely.

Also, it's a reasonably useful bike with a good reason, as opposed to your chosen alternative. Wink

I really liked the idea of the F800GS before it came out - but the reality seems to be that they made a KTM950adventure, but not as good in almost every where.
I do fancy a F800S, but couldn't really justify the £2-3k extra over a TRX850 for having ABS and less oil consumption.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never been on the bike in question, but just for 2 pence sake, i had my ZX6R [190kg odd wet-weight] down to 33bhp for 2 years and was plenty for me getting used to a bigger bike having moved upto it from only 125s or below.

That being said its obviously a sports bike so even restricted it probably had more punch where i wanted it than the BMW perhaps. Just thinking as yours isn't hugely more weight and will be up at 47bhp might not be too drastically different Thinking could be wrong though, in which case - it could be an obscenely cumbersome heavy lump Shifty
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Never been on the bike in question, but just for 2 pence sake, i had my ZX6R [190kg odd wet-weight] down to 33bhp for 2 years and was plenty for me getting used to a bigger bike having moved upto it from only 125s or below.

That being said its obviously a sports bike so even restricted it probably had more punch where i wanted it than the BMW perhaps. Just thinking as yours isn't hugely more weight and will be up at 47bhp might not be too drastically different Thinking could be wrong though, in which case - it could be an obscenely cumbersome heavy lump Shifty
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The restriction argument is rather flawed as any disaster I involved myself in was never even remotely due to too much power but not enough brains. Embarassed

If ye canny keep the heid on a powerful bike then who needs you in our gene pool?

It is silly to restrict bikes on power but a 17 yr old can drive a Ferrari out the showroom the day he gets his licence.

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PostPosted: 17:43 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree there. I was petrified taking the restriction off, expecting it to back flip out the garage, go through the neighbours house killing the family and burn the gravel from the drive. But actually.... it was almost exactly the same as it was restricted, until i turned the throttle further than i could when it was restricted - then it shockingly got a bit faster Thinking

Do wonder how people manage to 'lose control' on big bikes purely with speed, unless they jump on it twisting like its one of the bikes in a games-arcade Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:12 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
It is silly to restrict bikes on power but a 17 yr old can drive a Ferrari out the showroom the day he gets his licence.


Most 17 yr old's can afford a high power bike.

How many have you seen that can afford a Ferrari or any other high performance car.

Sadly I lost many a friend before restriction was brought in. Who thought they could handle a high power bike after passing their test. Only to end up dead a few days later.
Yes, they only killed themselves. But there were a few drivers that were seriously effected by being involved in the accidents.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most 17 year olds can afford a pretty high powered car.
E36 M3 is my usual answer as I have one - can be picked up from around £2.5k.
Insurance is another matter, of course.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Sadly I lost many a friend before restriction was brought in. Who thought they could handle a high power bike after passing their test. Only to end up dead a few days later.

I'd be interested to see fatality statistics from before restriction came in across vehicles. No doubt many have died pre-restriction on powerful bikes, but particularly within a certain age range and with new drivers, would the figures actually be proportionally any higher than those killed on scooters, or new car drivers in the same group.

I can think of numerous people in my area killed on their first moped, and a lot killed in cars [very high number if you also factor in passengers].

It does no doubt prevent some deaths directly but whether it justifies blanket restriction is another issue i think.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Walloper wrote:
It is silly to restrict bikes on power but a 17 yr old can drive a Ferrari out the showroom the day he gets his licence.


Most 17 yr old's can afford a high power bike.

How many have you seen that can afford a Ferrari or any other high performance car.

Sadly I lost many a friend before restriction was brought in. Who thought they could handle a high power bike after passing their test. Only to end up dead a few days later.
Yes, they only killed themselves. But there were a few drivers that were seriously effected by being involved in the accidents.


I know most 17yr olds can't afford a Ferrari. But power restriction is meant as a a substitute for experience. And not as a means test.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, read the OP some of you Rolling Eyes



You'll end up slinging the restrictor anyway Wink


I liked being restricted for a couple of month until I was comfortable, two years is too long in my worth nothing opinion.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually struggling to think of a worse sub 95bhp bike to restrict right now, and I have a pretty good knowledge of bikes.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
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Depends what OP wants it for. I found my prostate taking a pounding at motorway speeds on the new G650GS branding of it.

But it is natively 35kW, pretty good on fuel, and if you have any delusions aspirations about going offroad, you won't need a film crew to lift it off of you.
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