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DottyDuck
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Been involved in a accident. Reply with quote

scenario- i was on the outside lane. road was clear and the lane to the right of me was full of cars (the traffic light was on red for them).
a car from on coming traffic came across the traffic (after hearing from the police i think someone flashed her across the right lane of traffic).
She didn't look out for me and came across my line. I couldn't stop and went right into her.

luckily I have a few bruises- so nothing major.

Now for the tricky part- insurance- my stress levels have jumped through the roof!

Damage to bike- bent front forks. mudguard smashed. mirror broke off. both levers are bent down. (i think the bike is a write off tbh)

How do i do insurance? do i need to do it through my own insurance? or can i go through the other drivers?
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ring your broker.

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PostPosted: 17:21 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I whatever you do make sure your insurance are going for 100% its the drivers fault. Sounds like police involved so make sure they do a proper accideng report in your favour.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rules concerning emergency vehicles are very clear. It says that as a driver you should do nothing illegal or dangerous when confronted with an emergency vehicle.

This driver made a dangerous move which resulted in you having an accident. You are not to blame in any way and hopefully you took the drivers details, if you did then call your insurance company and let them deal with it.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You dead?

If not speak to your insurer, bennets, swinton, carole nash etc etc.
Give them all the details then order a pizza.
while waiting for the pizza to arrive knock up a paint diagram.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh? Where are you guys getting the emergency vehicle thing from? The way I read it is that the police attended as there was an accident and told him that someone had flashed her across the traffic.

Sounds like you need to get onto your insurance company and a proper motorcycle solicitor type person as from what you've said this should be a pretty easy one to sort out in your favour.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paint diagram please, plus photos of bruises, especially if on tits.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuckers just skim.

Contact your insurer now. Tell them that you're reporting an accident, not making a claim.

Unless you have fully comp insurance that's the last you want to hear about it from them.

Tell them to sod off when they try and sell[*] your details to their own ambulance chasers. Find your own firm of clueless paralegals. You can try SorryMate, WhiteDalton and so on, but do pick your own lot and don't hesitate to switch the moment they start to mess you around. If you're in Scotchland (kind of at the border?) then consider Digby Brown, or find a local firm for local bikers.

Be absolutely adamant that you were not at fault and instruct your solicitors to represent you on that basis or get another lot who will. The driver who mashed you up should not have proceeded, you were not filtering, they should have seen you but did not, you had no opportunity to stop, that's 100% liability their way, no compromises.

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PostPosted: 20:24 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
Talk to be police. If their sirens/blues caused her to move and hit you, it's a 'technical PolAcc' police accident.


No it isn't, moron.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's standard practice nowadays for the other party's insurer's to claim you are 100% to blame regardless of the circumstances, do not be taken in by that load of bollocks.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Fuckers just skim.

Contact your insurer now. Tell them that you're reporting an accident, not making a claim.

Unless you have fully comp insurance that's the last you want to hear about it from them.

Tell them to sod off when they try and sell[*] your details to their own ambulance chasers. Find your own firm of clueless paralegals. You can try SorryMate, WhiteDalton and so on, but do pick your own lot and don't hesitate to switch the moment they start to mess you around. If you're in Scotchland (kind of at the border?) then consider Digby Brown.

Be absolutely adamant that you were not at fault. The driver who mashed you up should not have proceeded, you were not filtering, they should have seen you bit did not, you had no opportunity to stop, that's 100% liability their way, no compromises.

[*] Ambulance chaser are not supposed to pay referral fees any more. Now they just pay for junkets instead.



This.

I also read that there was no police involvement. From what I could figure out the police after the accident thinks the car driver was flashed by another vehicle thus giving the impression she was being let out of the junction.

As everyone knows a flashing light from another car is not a sign that you are allowed to move. According to the H/C its a visual indication that you are there and nothing more.

So that said. Some dude flashed her, she assumed she was being allowed to move, failed to check whether it was safe to do so and crashed into you whilst moving out of a junction. 100% her fault not yours.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
ginny wrote:
Talk to be police. If their sirens/blues caused her to move and hit you, it's a 'technical PolAcc' police accident.


No it isn't, moron.


If you mean in this case it isn't, you are correct. I misread the first post. If you mean in general, you are wrong. It's a moot point now, having re read OPs post, but if police presence causes an accident, it's a technical.

If you mean I'm wrong in the latter point, feel free to offer some evidence or explanation.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
chris-red wrote:


No it isn't, moron.


If you mean in this case it isn't, you are correct. I misread the first post. If you mean in general, you are wrong. It's a moot point now, having re read OPs post, but if police presence causes an accident, it's a technical.

If you mean I'm wrong in the latter point, feel free to offer some evidence or explanation.


No in ANY situation where a driver moves to let a blue light vehicle through and in the process they crash in to a other vehicle will not be the blue light vehicles fault. Stop talking rubbish.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
Talk to be police. If their sirens/blues caused her to move and hit you, it's a 'technical PolAcc' police accident.



Oh look blue lights behind me.... lets cause another accident while making space for the emergency vehicle.

Are you mental in the face?

I think you should be the one providing evidence of what you are stating to be true.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cansa, Chris red- for your perusal. Source: Thames Valley Police, Vehicle Collision Policy. It's not protectively marked.

Any incident at any location where injury was caused to any party or where damage was caused to any vehicle or property and that incident was owing to the presence of a police vehicle or police officer or a member of staff. The definition of a Polacc is wider than a Road Traffic Act ‘accident’ and may include:
• actual collisions involving a police vehicle
• pursuits where the third party crashes without contact with the police vehicle (See Pursuit Policy for definition of ‘Pursuit’ - Pursuit Policy)
third party collisions resulting from manoeuvres to avoid a police vehicle or member of staff. In such cases this would relate to specific positive actions such as point duty, attending an incident, etc. rather than merely being ‘present’

Of course the policy could vary between areas, I doubt it changes significantly.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
Cansa, Chris red- for your perusal. Source: Thames Valley Police, Vehicle Collision Policy. It's not protectively marked.

Any incident at any location where injury was caused to any party or where damage was caused to any vehicle or property and that incident was owing to the presence of a police vehicle or police officer or a member of staff. The definition of a Polacc is wider than a Road Traffic Act ‘accident’ and may include:
• actual collisions involving a police vehicle
• pursuits where the third party crashes without contact with the police vehicle (See Pursuit Policy for definition of ‘Pursuit’ - Pursuit Policy)
third party collisions resulting from manoeuvres to avoid a police vehicle or member of staff. In such cases this would relate to specific positive actions such as point duty, attending an incident, etc. rather than merely being ‘present’

Of course the policy could vary between areas, I doubt it changes significantly.


Key points is, MAY include, and also from AVOID a police vehicle, giving way to one, or moving from their path is not AVOIDING action. Swerving to avoid one on the wrong side of the road is.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
ginny wrote:
Cansa, Chris red- for your perusal. Source: Thames Valley Police, Vehicle Collision Policy. It's not protectively marked.

Any incident at any location where injury was caused to any party or where damage was caused to any vehicle or property and that incident was owing to the presence of a police vehicle or police officer or a member of staff. The definition of a Polacc is wider than a Road Traffic Act ‘accident’ and may include:
• actual collisions involving a police vehicle
• pursuits where the third party crashes without contact with the police vehicle (See Pursuit Policy for definition of ‘Pursuit’ - Pursuit Policy)
third party collisions resulting from manoeuvres to avoid a police vehicle or member of staff. In such cases this would relate to specific positive actions such as point duty, attending an incident, etc. rather than merely being ‘present’

Of course the policy could vary between areas, I doubt it changes significantly.


Key points is, MAY include, and also from AVOID a police vehicle, giving way to one, or moving from their path is not AVOIDING action. Swerving to avoid one on the wrong side of the road is.


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PostPosted: 10:02 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off Topic is the best topic.

ginny wrote:
The definition of a Polacc is wider than a Road Traffic Act ‘accident’

They can define it as a Polacc Paddy Whack Give a Dog a Bone if they like, but that document primarily concerns itself with covering coppers' backs, and stitching up MOPs. I especially like the bit about breath testing everyone involved - presumably this doesn't include the coppers. Wink

But what significant would any of that have regarding civil liability between two MOPs? We drive to the standards set out in the Highway Code, I don't recall offhand being asked about Thames Valley Polacc internal policy on my theory quizzes. Thinking

Highway Code says: Consider the route of [an emergency vehicle] and take appropriate action to let it pass, while complying with all traffic signs.[...] Do not endanger yourself, other road users or pedestrians and avoid mounting the kerb.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Fuckers just skim.

Contact your insurer now. Tell them that you're reporting an accident, not making a claim.

Unless you have fully comp insurance that's the last you want to hear about it from them.


I am fully comp? so do i make a claim from on my own insurance or say i am claiming from the other driver?

The police were there and they have already got the details of the witnesses i think. Also the policeman said he isn't sure if there will be charges pressed against anyone but mentioned that the driver may take a driver improvement course?!

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It's standard practice nowadays for the other party's insurer's to claim you are 100% to blame regardless of the circumstances, do not be taken in by that load of bollocks.


i don't like the sound of that!

how long do you think it will take to process my claim? also will i be supplied with a motorbike in the meantime? or am i being naive to even think that?

thanks everyone for your input Smile

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PostPosted: 21:20 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

May i add, apologies for the pathetic paint diagram! I never had the chance to add me in a pile on the floor with fuel pissing all over my leg. also i didnt add the lovely people that came over to see how i was.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you call your insurance explain to them that you are not claiming against your insurance. You will be claiming against the other parties. You are not liable and the other person is 100% in the wrong. Your insurance company will advise you of your next step. Make sure you give them all the details you have too, including the police refference numbers if you have any.

If the other party tries to say you were to blame you have the police and witness back up which will absolve you of any blame.

As for a bike, that depends on whether your insurance covers a replacement while investigations are going on. What happens is your insurance company and his will fight it out. In this case all costs will end up being covered by the other driver as it was his fault but it will take a bit of time. Your insurance policy will have the info on a replacement bike. If not then ask them for one as they will recoup the cost from the other driver.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
Eh? Where are you guys getting the emergency vehicle thing from?


Reading more than a few lines at a time is hard for some people.

Fuck knows what would happen if they tried a book.

EDIT: To answer the question. Just ring your insurance company, say you have had an accident - they will send you a massive amount of form to fill in.

Make as many notes as you can now whilst the memory is still fresh. If it ever goes to court or even a civil hearing - it could be a year down the road.

Stick to your story throughout - don't let anyone sow any seeds of doubt.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOTTYDUCK wrote:
May i add, apologies for the pathetic paint diagram! I never had the chance to add me in a pile on the floor with fuel pissing all over my leg. also i didnt add the lovely people that came over to see how i was.


i skim read and deduced this:

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PostPosted: 18:08 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:


that's exactly what happened! but there was only 3 minions and not 4!
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