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Marmalade
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Coils breaking Reply with quote

I've just fixed a Broken pan euopean, It died while moving, engine cut out and won't restart.

Plenty of power at the lt side of coils but a tiny spark on HT. Replaced the coil unit and it's all good but it is one bracket with 2 little coils on it.
Why would both pack up at the same time?
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Age and vibrations I would guess. Also the coils breaking up could of spike the other coil and broke that up too?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you able to test the voltage they are getting, if something else was giving out you could be getting intermittent big spikes.
It does seem suspicious, I've ridden a bike 300 miles home from Kent running on one coil and two cylinders, don't see any way the remaining good coil would get too much juice.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They work on a 3 wire mini loom with one supply and 2 neg pulses so i suppose it could spike with one breaking but highly unlikely.

It works now. I can send it back to the owner and see what happens.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both failing at the same time? Very unlikely.

Is there any possibility it's been on one coil for a while and that the owner hasn't noticed the lack of power?

It's a Goldwing after all...
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Common coil fault normally means a common ground or earth fault , check any and all earth to chassis connections starting from the battery onwards and check the main earth connection between chassis and engine for corrosion. Also check the killswitch for wear and/or corrosion.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Both failing at the same time? Very unlikely.

Is there any possibility it's been on one coil for a while and that the owner hasn't noticed the lack of power?

It's a Goldwing after all...



No it isn't. Have a try keeping up with a pan european sometime
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Marmalade
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Common coil fault normally means a common ground or earth fault , check any and all earth to chassis connections starting from the battery onwards and check the main earth connection between chassis and engine for corrosion. Also check the killswitch for wear and/or corrosion.


The earth comes via the ecu/cdi with a common live on ignition.

The kill switch wires were soldered together and crimped some time ago because it was a little on the faulty side.

battery cables were all cleaned and greased along with replaced main relay back in the day and a new rectifier fitted.

It's not broken down for probably 20,000 miles but always electrical.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Both failing at the same time? Very unlikely.

Is there any possibility it's been on one coil for a while and that the owner hasn't noticed the lack of power?

It's a Goldwing after all...


No it's a pan European, nothing like a Goldwing at all, and you would notice if two cylinders packed up for sure.

Marmalade, I go along with the common earth fault, it's the only thing I can think of that would take out both coils at once, since they share a bracket, maybe they share a common ground point.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohh had a thought some cars will shut down the ecu if a coil gets a funny resistance reading (broken coil), maybe the ignition control module got a weird voltage feedback from one bad coil and it shut down in protest making the other coil stop sparking too, I had this happen to a customers car once, a mazda mx5, one coil had shorted windings and the other stopped sparking too.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

misscrabstick wrote:
Ohh had a thought some cars will shut down the ecu if a coil gets a funny resistance reading (broken coil), maybe the ignition control module got a weird voltage feedback from one bad coil and it shut down in protest making the other coil stop sparking too, I had this happen to a customers car once, a mazda mx5, one coil had shorted windings and the other stopped sparking too.


They are not that clever. the earth is via the ecu, constant live, coil activated by earth pulses.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken any primary/secondary resistances?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 02 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't bother, just chucked them in the shed
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
didn't bother, just chucked them in the shed


You'll forget they don't work!
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Bunny wrote:
Marmalade wrote:
didn't bother, just chucked them in the shed


You'll forget they don't work!


I took the caps off the ht leads so i'd know. I'll test them eventually but the fact the bike works and has done several hundred miles since says i was right to change them.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 10 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Easter Bunny wrote:


You'll forget they don't work!


I took the caps off the ht leads so i'd know. I'll test them eventually but the fact the bike works and has done several hundred miles since says i was right to change them.


Yes you are indeed a star.....cheers Karma Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 10 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Both failing at the same time? Very unlikely.

Is there any possibility it's been on one coil for a while and that the owner hasn't noticed the lack of power?

It's a Goldwing after all...


I had two 'in-line' ignition coils shit their sel' in one trip home.
Water damage was what finally did the damage Shit build quality was the root cause. I had one of the same things fail on a 2nd bike smae model, age an mileage.

It seems strange for two to go at once but if more than two are doing the same work for the same time then paerhaps situations can gang up on them. Smile
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