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PostPosted: 18:28 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Something dodgy with new bike Reply with quote

Okay so just bought a bike, it is a GSX 600 F and on the MOT done in October it says odometer reading 14366 but on the digital odometer display on the bike it says 65,000 miles. I did a HPI on it before I bought it and it came up as CAT C total loss. On the HPI check it also says: VRM and VIN not recorded as a repaired insurance 'total loss'. Do you have to have it on the V5 as a cat C?

The only thing I can think of is that the bike was crashed after October this year but it looks very tidy with no noticeable damage.

The HPI also says:

Police stolen
VRM and VIN not currently recorded by the police as stolen

Insurance theft
VRM and VIN not currently recorded by insurers as a theft

Outstanding finance
VRM and VIN not currently recorded as having outstanding finance

Security watch
VRM and VIN not currently recorded as at risk on the security register

Plate transfer
VRM not recorded as having previous plates


Here it is: https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/suzuki-gsx-600-fk3-yellow-53-reg/1041267480
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have the V5 with you at the moment Question

Could try check the MOT history for it so you can see what the mileage is like across its previous MOT's [if done in the last few years - can't remember when the online history came into effect]

https://motinfo.direct.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECHID-Internet-History-Request.jsp

New clocks after the originals were damaged perhaps Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Do you have the V5 with you at the moment Question

Could try check the MOT history for it so you can see what the mileage is like across its previous MOT's [if done in the last few years - can't remember when the online history came into effect]

https://motinfo.direct.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECHID-Internet-History-Request.jsp

New clocks after the originals were damaged perhaps Thinking


Thanks for the link, I have just sent the V5 off as previous owner just gave me the V5 with section 8 signed. I am pretty sure you have to declare cat C and it should appear on V5. I bet the clocks are second hand and used to replace the previous as you say but how can I then get them changed or am I now stuck with that reading?
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found out something interesting on the search:


Change of details

Colour:
YELLOW / BLACK recorded at time of test on 09/06/2011

I don't know if the clocks have only just been changed otherwise how did the MOT station get a reading of 14,000 in October this year?
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Something dodgy with new bike Reply with quote

Cat C for a bike is only on any interest to the insurance industry and nothing to do with the DVLA.

In cars you'd have to get a VIC check, but that doesn't apply for bikes, so it doesn't "mean" anything that useful really.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeisforliving wrote:
I found out something interesting on the search:
Change of details

Colour:
YELLOW / BLACK recorded at time of test on 09/06/2011

I don't know if the clocks have only just been changed otherwise how did the MOT station get a reading of 14,000 in October this year?
Maybe i'm missing something, but that doesn't seem particularly of interest to my mind - could just be they bought a new set of fairing or something Question

AFAIK the MOT odo-reading is taken from the clocks of the vehicle, so at the most recent MOT it must of been fitted with other [likely accurate if the MOT history matches up] clocks between then and the date you bought it.

I would be wondering why though Thinking are the new ones replacements with different mileage or some cheap old clocks - maybe the originals were sold for some extra cash or something Question
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, the last ODO reading on my van was way out on the MOT.
Only noticed some time later, should have checked at the time and got them to put it right Rolling Eyes.
They could have read the trip reading (maybe adding a 0) or just got it generally wrong.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:
I found out something interesting on the search:
Change of details

Colour:
YELLOW / BLACK recorded at time of test on 09/06/2011

I don't know if the clocks have only just been changed otherwise how did the MOT station get a reading of 14,000 in October this year?
Maybe i'm missing something, but that doesn't seem particularly of interest to my mind - could just be they bought a new set of fairing or something Question

AFAIK the MOT odo-reading is taken from the clocks of the vehicle, so at the most recent MOT it must of been fitted with other [likely accurate if the MOT history matches up] clocks between then and the date you bought it.

I would be wondering why though Thinking are the new ones replacements with different mileage or some cheap old clocks - maybe the originals were sold for some extra cash or something Question


All MOTs check out with the mileage so I am going to get it corrected through a company. I am not too worried about it really, gave it a check over and it runs in a straight line with hands off bars. It looks mint and I could probably sell it in summer once the mileage has been corrected for a profit as I paid 1300 for it.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a bike that went from 2800 miles on one MoT to 33300 miles the next year, and back down to 4300 the following year.

I can only assume the tester made a mistake Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was me presuming MOT testers paid extra time and attention to the documentation Folded arms

Quite worrying that a small balls-up like adding a 0 could seriously undervalue your vehicle if it wasn't corrected Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunnington wrote:
I had a bike that went from 2800 miles on one MoT to 33300 miles the next year, and back down to 4300 the following year.

I can only assume the tester made a mistake Shocked


That is really bad but I guess it's always a good idea to check it and I think you have got 7 days to get it corrected after the date of the mot.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my gpz the MOT I got with the bike had 9 miles on it.... because I replaced it with a new set of clocks the odometer reading was 64,000 on the next MOT. They have to go by what is shown at the time.

Also my current bike either gained or lost about 100 miles, but that was probably a printing mistake as 2 of the numbers had just been switched around.

I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you see ground off sections where the frame and engine number should be
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
There was me presuming MOT testers paid extra time and attention to the documentation Folded arms

Quite worrying that a small balls-up like adding a 0 could seriously undervalue your vehicle if it wasn't corrected Shocked


I got an MOT for my car once listed as a completely different vehicle make and model, the rest of the info including the reg was correct.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
I got an MOT for my car once listed as a completely different vehicle make and model, the rest of the info including the reg was correct.
Not bad if they upgraded a little old banger to a ferrari Wink
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
On my gpz the MOT I got with the bike had 9 miles on it.... because I replaced it with a new set of clocks the odometer reading was 64,000 on the next MOT. They have to go by what is shown at the time.

Also my current bike either gained or lost about 100 miles, but that was probably a printing mistake as 2 of the numbers had just been switched around.

I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you see ground off sections where the frame and engine number should be


That is why I want to get the odometer changed before it's next MOT, it seems range in price depending what company you use. I might just leave it though.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Something dodgy with new bike Reply with quote

lifeisforliving wrote:
[advertised at 14,000 miles but] the digital odometer display on the bike it says 65,000 miles.

When you asked the seller about this before handing over your money, what did they say?
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 19 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought you'd be able to tell fairly easily from the general state of the bike whether it's a 14k or a 65k miler.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Something dodgy with new bike Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:
[advertised at 14,000 miles but] the digital odometer display on the bike it says 65,000 miles.

When you asked the seller about this before handing over your money, what did they say?


It was advertised with 14,000 and the mot says 14,000 so I did not check the digital odometer reading which looking back on it I should of checked. It is only when I had the bike that I noticed it. I asked about the cat c and the guy said it wasn't a cat c and said it was in great condition.

He then did a hpi check and was a bit taken back, the bike had signs of repair but it all looked cosmetic. It started from cold and the engine sounded fine

Cat c dosen't mean that much really and hpi doesnt always garunte a bike hasn't been crashed. my other bike I bought from a dealer who said it was a clean bike with clean hpi check but it has been dropped, you can tell and probably was a cat c.
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
I would have thought you'd be able to tell fairly easily from the general state of the bike whether it's a 14k or a 65k miler.


It is definately 14k as the mot history checks out online, the clocks must of been changed in the last few months. The plastics were changed in 2011 to a black and yellow scheme which could be because of cutimisation or a crash. The guy who sold it me only had it a couple of months and he said the permson he got it off didn't mention any accidents.

I am a bit puzzled by the clocks, a replacement dash is expensive and replacing all the plastics and dash would cost way more than the bikes worth unless you get the parts cheap and fit them yourself. It just doesn't add up, if the bike had slid down the road I would of expected more damage at the rear of the bike.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, caveat emptor, but if it's in good nick, it's in good nick. Cat C wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Tough choice on whether to get it corrected, I'm honestly not sure which way I'd go on that one. It's getting towards the value and the market where it might not pay for itself.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could have hit a curb at the front, a car or similar.

Have you checked the engine numbers? Possible it was a stolen bike transferred to that frame, though if the clock miles don't match the fairing condition, probably less likely.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stolen and front end damage i.e clocks, clocks replaced with higher milage, just insure it and ride it.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 20 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Have you checked the engine numbers? Possible it was a stolen bike transferred to that frame, though if the clock miles don't match the fairing condition, probably less likely.


+1

Exactly what I was thinking.
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