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PostPosted: 12:59 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

Thought I'd share my cool story bro.

Obviously i'm aware they are mainly for track gods, of which i am not.
However after fitting new tyres and then promptly spilling it the other week, then finding my new rubber sweating in the cold, coupled with me being a 'short blasts' hooligan sort of biker. Thought a set might be worth a squirt.

Only had three rides in since, but my god does it make a difference, especially to the front, which always takes longer to warm when riding. Now = instant out of the box dependability, even in the cold wet. The increase in tyre pressure due to the heat is quite noticeable and felt a bit weird initially, but i wish I'd splashed out years ago.

Got to be a huge safety asset aswell, I'm sure i read somewhere that statistically the majority of spills/crashes happen within the first 10 mins* (certainly the case in 90% of my crashes) when the tyres are cold and grip is compromised.
I expect to feel much more confident conducting emergency stops after 5minutes of riding, knowing my tyres have just spent 30minutes in their own personal saunas.

Wonder if I can get my insurance premium down a bit, lol Thinking .

Thoroughly recommend you all try a set at some point, especially the short blasters out there!


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PostPosted: 13:25 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, buy something like a PR3 which has good grip from the off, and you still won't be able to reach the limits of them on the road anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, no power in my garage.
I'm envisaging a blowtorch attachment for the front mudguard, and another for the rear swingarm.
It it goes to market, I'll call it WHEELS OF FIRE.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm almost certain this is SPAMMERY.

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You do not need tyre warmers you simply need tyre that will warm up quickly.

Mostly normal road tyres have compound that warms up quickly and stays warm. Race tyres take longer to warm up and cool quicker as they are used in extreme heat conditions ie on a track/in racing.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd keep an eye on the temperature of them if I were you, especially in the current weather. If you're on Supercorsas or similar, I've gone out on fully up to temp tyres on a track in 'summer' but on a rainy track and had them go stone cold in a few laps because I couldn't keep the heat in them and the water cooled them down.

Make sure if you're riding round with water on the road (or even a dry road, but not pushing it) that they haven't gone cold. You don't want to end up crashing at a faster pace because you thought they were warm when they weren't.

But yes straight out of the warmers any tyre grips much better Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
I'd keep an eye on the temperature of them if I were you, especially in the current weather. If you're on Supercorsas or similar, I've gone out on fully up to temp tyres on a track in 'summer' but on a rainy track and had them go stone cold in a few laps because I couldn't keep the heat in them and the water cooled them down.

Make sure if you're riding round with water on the road (or even a dry road, but not pushing it) that they haven't gone cold. You don't want to end up crashing at a faster pace because you thought they were warm when they weren't.

But yes straight out of the warmers any tyre grips much better Thumbs Up


One of my bikes has BT pressure monitors for front and rear. Mostly I notice the pressure increase about 0.5Bar after about 3-4 miles.

I wouldn't be arsed with warmers. Just take it easy. No need unless on a track.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

surely the answer is to just get more suitable/better tyres? money wasted /thread Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or even just take it easy in the shitty wank wet and cold?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt my boss would allow me to plug them in at work. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

waste of time
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you actually know what tyre warmers are for? Tyre warmers are there to maintain the temperature of the tyre after doing a number of laps on track. They can be used to raise a tyre to near track temperature before a race if so required.

They do not maintain the temperature after you've removed them. So if you take them off, and then ride the tyres will drop back to normal temperature within a few minutes (if not seconds).

This will have absolutely NO effect on the temperature of your tyres on a winter commute. I don't know anyone who rides fast enough (and consistently fast enough, not stopping at junctions or roundabouts etc) to even get up to track temperatures on the road in the blazing summer, let alone in winter.

This is foolishness of one of the greatest levels I've seen on this forum for a very long time (and that is saying something).
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I was wrong... Tell your insurance company you use tyre warmers for the road! I'm sure they'll be delighted to modify your premium for using race only equipment just before you set off on your commute!

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PostPosted: 15:32 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre warmers on the road? RLY?

Is it not a pain in the arse having the put the bike on paddock stands and put the tyre warmers on half an hour before you want to go out? Could you not just increase the tyre pressures with a pump and take it easy for the first few miles?

Do the tyres have much/any heat left in them after you've been riding?

Emergency stops should be quite possible without using tyre warmers, you should also be able to do stoppies from speed.

What tyres are you using?
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Re: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

I have to admit I've never used tyre warmers on the road.
I have used them on track a lot.
Even going at track speeds and/or with wets you can suffer from the tyres cooling in winter conditions.
So you start off with hot tyres, but aren't keep enough heat in the tyres, so they cool down.
On the road you just need some slower sections, traffic lights and so on.

So, instead of getting the same or increasing grip, as your ride goes on you may well be getting worse grip. So, as the rest of your bike comes up to temperature, your tyres cool down.

Sounds to be asking for trouble.
Much better would be to find a tyre compound that works well in those situations, to my mind.
I always liked the supercorsas because they still offered very reasonable grip from cold - while the Pilot Race was down right scary if you had a stoppage in the race.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't even be bothered with all the messing about using warmers on a trackday so sod putting them on to nip down to the shop.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Re: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

SliMC wrote:
Thought I'd share my cool story bro.
Still waiting for the cool bit. All I've seen thus far is a tale o' fail.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Re: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
SliMC wrote:
Thought I'd share my cool story bro.
Still waiting for the cool bit. All I've seen thus far is a tale o' fail.


Rolling Eyes

The cool bit comes as soon as you remove the warmers silly.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Re: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
The cool bit comes as soon as you remove the warmers silly.
Really? It's still pretty warm around here - it was knocking on for 13 degrees today.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn to adjust your riding style to prevailing weather and road conditions. Fit decent road tyres that give grip from the off (PR3s for example).

Job done.

Tyre warmers? I thought this was 1st April for a minute there... Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Re: Tyre Warmers for winter. Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Walloper wrote:
The cool bit comes as soon as you remove the warmers silly.
Really? It's still pretty warm around here - it was knocking on for 13 degrees today.


I meant in comparison to the surface of our nearest star. Cool
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or, buy something like a PR3 which has good grip from the off, and you still won't be able to reach the limits of them on the road anyway.


Bit late now, maybe next time. Doubt i've ever reached the limits of any tyre i've owned, but i like to try.

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You do not need tyre warmers you simply need tyre that will warm up quickly


like the PR3?


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Make sure if you're riding round with water on the road (or even a dry road, but not pushing it) that they haven't gone cold. You don't want to end up crashing at a faster pace because you thought they were warm when they weren't.

But yes straight out of the warmers any tyre grips much better Thumbs Up


Obviously they start to cool down within minutes and i soon noticed this, but Hot>Warm seems so much more useful than Cold>Warm, regardless of journey time. Its a nice change to have tyres that cool down to operating temp.

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So daily routine probbably looks exactly like this;


Wake up, bang wife (cos i aint gay), dressed, breakfast, off to work in van, finish work, home, power up garage from house to which warmers are on and switched live, eat wifes dinner, out to garage, fire the bike up, leathers on, boots on, preflight checks, necktube on, lid on, gloves on, remove warmers, drop bike off lift, then get on it and ride for fun Thumbs Up

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Or even just take it easy in the shitty wank wet and cold?


Or take the car, even easier.

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Do you actually know what tyre warmers are for.


Fortunatly for me, the clue was in the name.

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They do not maintain the temperature after you've removed them.


No shit.

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This will have absolutely NO effect on the temperature of your tyres on a winter commute.


Well, it will to start with.

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Actually I was wrong... Tell your insurance company you use tyre warmers for the road! I'm sure they'll be delighted to modify your premium for using race only equipment just before you set off on your commute!


It was a joke, hence the lol.

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Is it not a pain in the arse having the put the bike on paddock stands and put the tyre warmers on half an hour before you want to go out?


No. It takes less than 30 seconds to fit/remove warmers and a MX Lift.

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Could you not just take it easy for the first few miles?


Isn't that what everyone does?

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Do the tyres have much/any heat left in them after you've been riding?


More than if i'd started out from cold, but not alot no. To many varibles really tho arn't there.

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So, instead of getting the same or increasing grip, as your ride goes on you may well be getting worse grip


Absolutley, especially this time of year. But by the time the grip starts to decrease, i've found my groove Wink . Or arrived.

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Rolling Eyes

The cool bit comes as soon as you remove the warmers silly.


Karma for that, Laughing Laughing

Seriously tho, thanks for the replys all, wasn't really looking for any. I was just suprised how well they work from the off, and felt compelled to share my experience.

I'm fully aware that i've wasted money, but i'm an egay addict and like to wax cash daily. (recently spent £200 on a chair for my newborn (heard of a mamaroo?))Shocked Laughing

I Had 2 sets of Pirelli Dragon supercorsa pro's since getting the bike, and have only now just switched to Conti Attack SMs as i figured they might be fun come summer and the possibilitys of track days.
Not sure if i'm happy with my choice yet, but still very early days. Def not a tyre for the cold and wet, hence my experimentaion with warmers.
I doubt i'll be bothering with them in summer, even if i do find myself at a track day.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

SliMC wrote:

Seriously tho, thanks for the replys all, wasn't really looking for any. I was just suprised how well they work from the off, and felt compelled to share my experience.


Stop greening the planet put the warmers in the bag shag your Mrs more (Because, trust us on this, you are becoming Ghey) and get yourself to a track when the roads warm up.
You won't find anyone using a bike on a race track in UK from VERY late October until late March. The road and air temperature is too cold to allow tyres to work properly.

So this thread is like a non thread.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SM ain't going to get that warm in the winter months anyhow due to the amount of tread....so if it works for you then.....it works for you!


Must say I've never used warmers for the road ....but deffo when racing....made the first lap or 2 a bit safer and could up the pace of the outlap lol! Used to hiss me right off if they kept you in the holding area for 10 mins tho!
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 07 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt this even happened but......

COOL STORY BRO anyhow. Rolling Eyes
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