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PostPosted: 14:02 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: When I turn my key, nothing happens! Reply with quote

Hello,

My AJS Nac 12 won't work, it is only 6 months old, the battery has charge in it, I've visually looked at the wiring and it all seems fine.

Took the front of the bike apart to get to the ignition, it has in the bottom of the ignition, 4 wires that are soldered on, they are all connected fine.

The problem that I have is when I turn the key, nothing happens, no neutral light, the fuel gauge doesn't move, nothing!

Thanks, any advice would be great!

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PostPosted: 14:30 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You say the battery is fine? What's the voltage.


Are the battery connectors on properly and not corroded up?
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you checked the fuse / fuses?
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be the main fuse, I wouldn't think it likely to be a problem in the ignition barrel unless someone had interfered with it trying to start or steal it.

Have you jump leads? (worth getting anyway)
See if you have signs of life connected to another vehicle.
See if you have signs of life with the battery earth(-) connected to a bright part of the bike.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kill switch?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
You say the battery is fine? What's the voltage.


Are the battery connectors on properly and not corroded up?



I'll get back with the voltages, but I have a cigarette lighter phone charger. And that is still functional, so at least there should be enough power to power the neutral light?

And the connectors are fine, they're covered up well...
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
have you checked the fuse / fuses?


There's only one fuse, and it's still intact.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
It could be the main fuse, I wouldn't think it likely to be a problem in the ignition barrel unless someone had interfered with it trying to start or steal it.

Have you jump leads? (worth getting anyway)
See if you have signs of life connected to another vehicle.
See if you have signs of life with the battery earth(-) connected to a bright part of the bike.


I've checked the fuse, it's still intact.
And well, the day previous when I put my key in, it took a bit of movement to get it to light up, but the next morning it worked perfectly, but in the afternoon. It stopped working again. I do really think it's the barrel.
I also wouldn't know how to replace it. It soldered at 4 wires.

Also, I do not own jump leads, I'd probably bump start if I could.
And that could be a good idea. I'll try. I'm just seeing if there are any other obvious answers before committing to a barrel change.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
Kill switch?


Kill switch is off, and that wouldn't affect the lights coming on.. Or power circulating around the bike.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adamhollick wrote:
AnPhonEh wrote:
Kill switch?


Kill switch is off, and that wouldn't affect the lights coming on.. Or power circulating around the bike.


My old bike wouldn't give me anything when the kill switch was on.

In regards to no power at all, I'd try check and see if there is power getting to the ignition, there is a permanent live you may be able to prod with a multimeter to check for voltage.

Is it no longer under warranty?
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]My old bike wouldn't give me anything when the kill switch was on.

In regards to no power at all, I'd try check and see if there is power getting to the ignition, there is a permanent live you may be able to prod with a multimeter to check for voltage.

Is it no longer under warranty?[/quote]

Ah, yeah, this one gives full power just no ignition if the kill switch is on...

And, I was looking at doing that via YouTube. If there's power getting to the ignition, but not emitting from the ignition, then it's the ignition? Also, can you replace the top bit of the barrel without replacing the bottom? Because I don't wanna be soldering. Razz

And it is not... It was near its milage. So I rung it in for its service, they booked it in 2 weeks away. I asked wether it was okay to go over my milage because I needed to get to work, they said yes, so I carried on riding my milage went up, quite a bit. :/

And when I took it in, they refused to give me my free service and therefore voided my warrantee. Sore subject. Sad
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think it's the barrel then go and find the wiring diagram to figure out what connects to what when the key switch is turned.

Unplug the key barrel, stick some probes of a multimeter into whatever colours should connect when it's in the on position, turn the key, and see if there is ~0 Ohms of resistance or if you have a continuity meter it should beep showing the wires are then connected.

If it doesn't beep then the key switch/multimeter is faulty (more likely the key switch). Also if it doesn't beep try moving around the wires and wiggling the key to see if it's just a poor connection.

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Can you replace the top bit of the barrel without replacing the bottom? Because I don't wanna be soldering. Razz


It's rare that the key switch is soldered in, more likely that its soldered to a plug that is specifically difficult to unplug without somewhat taking the bike apart.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillyJ wrote:
If you think it's the barrel then go and find the wiring diagram to figure out what connects to what when the key switch is turned.

Unplug the key barrel, stick some probes of a multimeter into whatever colours should connect when it's in the on position, turn the key, and see if there is ~0 Ohms of resistance or if you have a continuity meter it should beep showing the wires are then connected.

If it doesn't beep then the key switch/multimeter is faulty (more likely the key switch). Also if it doesn't beep try moving around the wires and wiggling the key to see if it's just a poor connection.

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Can you replace the top bit of the barrel without replacing the bottom? Because I don't wanna be soldering. Razz


It's rare that the key switch is soldered in, more likely that its soldered to a plug that is specifically difficult to unplug without somewhat taking the bike apart.


I didn't receive a wiring diagram with my bike, or even a manual!
I think I'll just get everything and prod it with a multimeter. Razz

The day previous, I had to wiggle the key to get a connection, but the next morning it did it straight away, no messing, but after I finished work in the afternoon, no amount of wiggling could get it to work...

I shall try and take a picture and post it later on...

There are like 4 wires soldered on to a plate. And above them some plastic the moves I presume to expose a connection to allow the bike to work...
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adamhollick wrote:


I didn't receive a wiring diagram with my bike, or even a manual!
I think I'll just get everything and prod it with a multimeter. Razz

The day previous, I had to wiggle the key to get a connection, but the next morning it did it straight away, no messing, but after I finished work in the afternoon, no amount of wiggling could get it to work...

I shall try and take a picture and post it later on...

There are like 4 wires soldered on to a plate. And above them some plastic the moves I presume to expose a connection to allow the bike to work...


Sounds weird... but I still think there's a plug. Anyway do what you said and prod around. figure out which wires are connected to make the ignition circuit live, if it's four wires, it'll probably be, GND, +ve and 2 other things, could be park lights or whatever, does your switch have 3 positions?
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiring diagram could be similar to these:

https://s574.photobucket.com/user/hmmmnz1/media/chinese%20bikes/gy125.jpg.html <<more likely this

https://s574.photobucket.com/user/hmmmnz1/media/chinese%20bikes/shinerayxy125.jpg.html
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 08 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillyJ wrote:
Adamhollick wrote:


I didn't receive a wiring diagram with my bike, or even a manual!
I think I'll just get everything and prod it with a multimeter. Razz

The day previous, I had to wiggle the key to get a connection, but the next morning it did it straight away, no messing, but after I finished work in the afternoon, no amount of wiggling could get it to work...

I shall try and take a picture and post it later on...

There are like 4 wires soldered on to a plate. And above them some plastic the moves I presume to expose a connection to allow the bike to work...


Sounds weird... but I still think there's a plug. Anyway do what you said and prod around. figure out which wires are connected to make the ignition circuit live, if it's four wires, it'll probably be, GND, +ve and 2 other things, could be park lights or whatever, does your switch have 3 positions?


Very weird. Too weird, I have emailed a guy from AJS requesting a wiring diagram. And stating how annoyed I am. Razz

I shall have a better look later on, it's stuck at my girlfriends at the moment...

Yeah, and erm, I don't have parking lights, but I'll have a nosey...

Yeah, it has, steering lock, off, and ignition, then push button starter. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adamhollick wrote:

Yeah, it has, steering lock, off, and ignition, then push button starter. Smile


Meh, it has 2 electrical states, on and off. It only needs 2 wires.. why would they complicate it?

That doesn't matter, just figure out what wires are meant to do what in the on and the off position. Then when you know which wires are connected in the on position just keep them probed whilst wiggling the key around to see if it causes the connection to break, realise that's the problem (I think it's quite a common thing to happen with cheap key switches) and just switch out the keyswitch.

P.S. Find the socket, I will take a lot to convince me that its directly soldered into the bike.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be surprised if there is anything wrong with the ignition/barrel at all, because it is just a switch, and its not as if the bikes been sat outside for 8 years. So long as the key turns cleanly, I recon the contacts behind it will be fine.

And thus the problem is elsewhere.

But I could be wrong.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

SliMC wrote:
I will be surprised if there is anything wrong with the ignition/barrel at all, because it is just a switch, and its not as if the bikes been sat outside for 8 years. So long as the key turns cleanly, I recon the contacts behind it will be fine.


If it's a cheap switch and it's also just a bad batch and then been rained on then I think it could be, that plus it's easy enough to check and rule it out.

My CBR key switch was f***ed but i spent a whole day with Robby to figure out what the problem was overlooking the obvious...
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is more than likely 4 wires because there is a zener diode involved to stop people being able to hotwire it. It would look something like this. I did manage to get it started from this condition, but I wouldn't advise trying to get to this point. Look for the live wire and see if it's getting anything to the switch, and switch it to on and see if the other wires light up?

https://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/theeanfone/DSC_1810_zpsfd17643c.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
There is more than likely 4 wires because there is a zener diode involved to stop people being able to hotwire it.


I didn't realise they used to diodes to prevent hot wiring Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
There is more than likely 4 wires because there is a zener diode involved to stop people being able to hotwire it. It would look something like this. I did manage to get it started from this condition, but I wouldn't advise trying to get to this point. Look for the live wire and see if it's getting anything to the switch, and switch it to on and see if the other wires light up?

https://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/theeanfone/DSC_1810_zpsfd17643c.jpg


It actually looks very similar to this, but it doesn't have that resister/diode.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you able to see the bit in my picture? Mine was attached to the barrel itself and I was only able to see this bit when I snapped it off.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:30 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adamhollick wrote:
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