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PostPosted: 10:11 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: New Honda Cub Reply with quote

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/new-honda-cub/24076.html
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, that's ugly. I bet the French will love it! Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should have kept the old cubs style of lights and handlebars.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next incarnation will probably have a disk brake on the front, whoopee.

Could have squeezed a few more horsepower in there, not sure who Honda is marketing this at.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

delsol wrote:
not sure who Honda is marketing this at.


Yeah, surely the Innova already does the same job.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 11 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

While it has more generic looks, this pug 'cub' looks interesting...
https://www.peugeotscooters.co.uk/peugeot-scooters-detail.php/Vox-23/
Claimed 'up to' 200mpg combined, disc front brake, proper forks and two seats + rack for £1300 at the moment - seems like a pretty decent deal seeing that you can be paying not too far off that for a Chinese cub on the upper end.
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PostPosted: 05:50 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
you can be paying not too far off that for a Chinese cub


But what about the ones not built by Honda? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will no doubt be a hit in India.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My gut feeling is that this will be to the old cub what the cbf125 is to the cg125.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
While it has more generic looks, this pug 'cub' looks interesting...
https://www.peugeotscooters.co.uk/peugeot-scooters-detail.php/Vox-23/


I'm struggling with that and the word "interesting" co-existing.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love an old cub but aren't willing to pay those silly ebay prices from some old thrashed, worn out piece of poo.
The Honda Wave 110i is the spiritual successor, fantastic on paper but the styling is god aweful. All I see is Asians in flipflops and go faster stickers? Please Honda, something a little more conservative. As a modern take on a cub?

I would happily buy that one pictured though! Cool
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I'd love an old cub - turns out 'quirky' = crappy Smile.

Remember the design of the original was an up to date modern but fairly generic design of the time - just as the 'wave' is for today. I'd suggest it IS a modern take on a cub!

As far as interesting goes; yes, it doesn't significantly out perform a S-RR, nor be lighter than a 690E (with similar engine etc) nor match/better the specs of a highland 950.

So, that leaves 100% of the new bikes out there as 'not interesting' Smile.... from that, of the 100% of bikes left, for me 200mpg with real suspension at the front and a sale price that's very reasonable for a respected brand, that is interesting!
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

As far as interesting goes; yes, it doesn't significantly out perform a S-RR, nor be lighter than a 690E (with similar engine etc) nor match/better the specs of a highland 950.

So, that leaves 100% of the new bikes out there as 'not interesting' Smile.... from that, of the 100% of bikes left, for me 200mpg with real suspension at the front and a sale price that's very reasonable for a respected brand, that is interesting!


Knew you'd have to come back on that one Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

110cc is a limit for one of the asian countries, so must be purpose made for them

Had a go once on my mates C90 cub, it was fucked but back then I was only paid when I was actually at work and he was good enough to lend it me for the day, he said don't take it over 45 as it starts to shake, I asked why and he said something about the engine being worn and needing a rebuild, at 44 mph it was smooth as silk, 45mph it was like trying to ride a jackhammer and jumped all over the road!
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice not just the dual drum brakes Sick - there are two cables to the front wheel so it must also be front speedo drive Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nothing new or exciting.

They've been making something very similar for decades. The Australian postal service issue a lightly offroad-style C90 called a CT90 (then later a CT110) to cope with dirt roads. They Call it a "postie bike".

https://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/3/7/37303_honda_ct110_thumb-4b77aa8124c86.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 12 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Postie bike also gets a two speed final transmission I believe - selectable by hand when stopped, but gives a bit more flexibility for dirt riding.
Always like the idea, but a bit costly in the UK.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Want one.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Notice not just the dual drum brakes Sick - there are two cables to the front wheel so it must also be front speedo drive Laughing



errr, so?
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's nothing new or exciting.

They've been making something very similar for decades. The Australian postal service issue a lightly offroad-style C90 called a CT90 (then later a CT110) to cope with dirt roads. They Call it a "postie bike".

https://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/3/7/37303_honda_ct110_thumb-4b77aa8124c86.jpg


If Honda had that bike on the market right now I would probably buy it, load it onto a tow-bar mounted bike carrier and just use it for anything that takes your fancy on those weekend or holiday trips when you just have to take the car.

Any bikes like that on the market today ?, has to be one of the big four Japanese bikes for me, I could be persuaded otherwise though.

I'm bitten with the thought of this 'toy'.

Fill the tank once to last for comparative eternity, easy and cheap to maintain and fix, bomb proof, man points nil, kick it around and give it little thought, decent push bikes cost that kind of money.













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PostPosted: 00:28 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

delsol wrote:

If Honda had that bike on the market right now I would probably buy it, load it onto a tow-bar mounted bike carrier and just use it for anything that takes your fancy on those weekend or holiday trips when you just have to take the car.

Why not just get a road legal pit bike? Larger ones aren't too far of the geometry for riding position. Ok, you don't get the extra gearbox, but unless you're going to do trials, you should be fine.
(I've taken a totally stock bar tyres C90 around enduro land and did 'ok', even wasn't the slowest in the corners too!)

Probably better finish too, considering Honda's current standards Smile.

Or, why not one of the pugs I linked above?
Not too far off the weight and better economy, suspension probably as good.
(Neither that nor the Honda will be legal to stick on most car towbars as the nose weight will be too high, by the way.)
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PostPosted: 02:26 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

delsol wrote:


If Honda had that bike on the market right now I would probably buy it, load it onto a tow-bar mounted bike carrier and just use it for anything that takes your fancy on those weekend or holiday trips when you just have to take the car.

Any bikes like that on the market today ?, has to be one of the big four Japanese bikes for me, I could be persuaded otherwise though.

I'm bitten with the thought of this 'toy'.

Fill the tank once to last for comparative eternity, easy and cheap to maintain and fix, bomb proof, man points nil, kick it around and give it little thought, decent push bikes cost that kind of money.


Yamaha do the AG100 but I think it's only sold in Australia and NZ. Slow but bulletproof. Spray it matte black and you might even net some man points as the Courier of the Apocalypse.

https://activemotorcycles.com.au/images/yamaha_ag100.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Why not just get a road legal pit bike? Larger ones aren't too far of the geometry for riding position. Ok, you don't get the extra gearbox, but unless you're going to do trials, you should be fine.


Liking this idea, you got anything particular in mind ?

Would sacrifice power to keep the weight down, I can probably get away with say 110 kg on the tow-bar bike carrier.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of like in a at least it's not a bland scooter sort of way.
No storage so really needs top box to work as a commuter (for me anyhow). Wonder what market niche it's aimed at?
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 15 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

110kg will get you pretty much any pit bike you want. And that includes the ones with 18hp and decent spec stuff to cope with it.

Have you checked the nose weight for your car towing? 110kg is pretty high.

In the end, the engines tend to weight pretty similar whether they be a 50cc or 160cc, as they're all around the same basic design.

I'd kinda liked the idea of having maybe a silly-tuned 160cc for fun stuff, a small-valve Honda 90 for economy (or other similar options), then a 140 for competition (so you're not competing in so expensive a class), say. Realistically, not really worth the hassle of expense.
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