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PostPosted: 21:42 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Bike insurered for garage - but not always in garage? Reply with quote

Howdy

I keep it in a garage. Obviously has many pros than being outside on the road than cons. However, each trip involves a walk to the garage and arsing about. For work, it's an extra 10-15 mins and can work out quicker to take the car.

After a nightshift now it's dry I've started to ride home an leave it outside the door on the road so when I go back in the following night its there ready. But if it got nicked or damaged whilst I slept what would the inurance say as it's insured to be in the garage?
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is the same and when I took the insurance out they specified it must be garaged at night if at home, so probably during the day it would be fine outside the house.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read your insurance documents. It's irrelevant what anyone else's insurance says.

But in general, if you've said the bike is garaged at home and it got nicked when you've left it on the road then I wouldn't expect an insurance claim to be successful.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Read your insurance documents. It's irrelevant what anyone else's insurance says.

But in general, if you've said the bike is garaged at home and it got nicked when you've left it on the road then I wouldn't expect an insurance claim to be successful.


It depends on whether the policy has been endorsed to specify a condition precedent.

Without that, the insurer has no grounds to repudiate or seek to void the policy.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is why he needs to read his insurance documents. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

if it got nicked when you've left it on the road then I wouldn't expect an insurance claim to be successful.


But it was never on the road ... it was in the garage Wink

But seriously check your insurance documents, if the insurance has been granted on the basis that it will always be parked in the garage.
Then guess what...
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's usually stipulated in one of two main ways

you may have declared it to be 'usually garaged'

That is, you normally keep it in the garage but there may be the odd occasion that it is not kept in the garage for some reason.

Must be garaged

Your insurance requires it to be kept in the garage or your policy is not valid for cover

I think my documents state that it must be garaged to be covered against theft, it's also on the documents that the bike is kept in my back garden behind a high fence.

My cover does not include theft making the above irrelevant.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said above, the chances are your insurance won't cover you if your bike isn't in a locked garage over night. It may not be the case with your policy but, it has always been the case with all of my policies (I've been with MCE, Devitt and eBike).
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Course if you aren't covered for theft it makes no difference where it's kept Wink Only upside to being 3rd party only. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

read you policy, it may say that the bike has to be garaged from dusk until dawn when you're at home, or anywhere else for that matter, or it must always be garaged at home no matter what time of dayit is, if something happens they will ask you lots of questions and you might give the wrong answer and they won't pay out
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes it doesn't make much of a difference in price whether it is garaged or not.

I believe mine made quite a bit of difference, but the only time it is not in the garage when it's at mine is for a minute or two immediately before and immediately after I go out on it, whilst I lock up the garage and house.

As for security devices, they made no difference to my premium, so I didn't declare them.
They may not pay out if I stated a chain and disc lock and it was stolen when any chain/locks weren't fitted. But if you don't declare any then they can't not pay out, and the undeclared locks are just additional protection and peace of mind.


If it eventually doesn't cost much more to be usually "kept on the road" then I will state that, or if they can offer a "usually garaged" that accepts it will be covered by insurance but not always garaged, then that'd be best option.


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PostPosted: 00:27 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very simple answer to this..... If your bike gets stolen form outside your house. Say it was somewhere else
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under these circumstances my insurer reserves the right to say "clear off"

Or says if stolen within 500m of my address will double the excess.

Just garage it or pay the proper insurance.

If its stolen you'd have to lie to the police about where it was stolen from and the hole would just get deeper.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sleep better with it in the garage Wink


OP, post back results when you can, I know its not universal but would be interested what they say.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My insurance says that my bike is not covered for theft if it is within 500m of the house and is not in the garage.

As ste says, read your policy.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Very simple answer to this..... If your bike gets stolen form outside your house. Say it was somewhere else


This. I've been using the locked in the garage for years.

Made about £50 difference to my policy.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
It depends on whether the policy has been endorsed to specify a condition precedent.

Without that, the insurer has no grounds to repudiate or seek to void the policy.

Informative and confusing.

Confusative?
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Very simple answer to this..... If your bike gets stolen form outside your house. Say it was somewhere else


Then how are you going to report it to the police?

They find out you were not telling the truth. You are in deep shit with them and also totally screwed on insurance for fraud......
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
read you policy, it may say that the bike has to be garaged from dusk until dawn when you're at home, or anywhere else for that matter, or it must always be garaged at home no matter what time of dayit is,

Exactly this. I've had various policies that have slightly differing terms regarding as and when my bike must be garaged whilst it is at my home address.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
arry wrote:
It depends on whether the policy has been endorsed to specify a condition precedent.

Without that, the insurer has no grounds to repudiate or seek to void the policy.

Informative and confusing.

Confusative?


Heh Laughing

Without a condition precedent (it is a condition precedent to the liability of the insurer in respect of theft that the vehicle is kept within a locked garage between the hours of .....) the insurer couldn't possibly look to repudiate the loss - there's been no breach of condition.

It would then, if it wanted to escape liability, have to seek avoidance of the policy ab initio on the grounds of non-disclosure but frankly they'd never get away with it in a million years - as long as you did actually have the garage that is. If you lied and said you had a garage when you didn't then they'd be nailed on for inducement but if you had a garage and it was kept in there most of the time (of course it was, right?) but just not on this particular occasion then if they were not prepared to offer cover without the garage they should have endorsed the condition precedent specifically onto the policy.

Clearer? Sometimes I go spakstik and make no sense.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend had his 2010 ninja picked up off his drive by some scrotes while he slept after a night shift. So it's during the day and the bike was on the drive. Long story short, insurance refused to pay out because it wasn't in the garage while he slept.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FriendlyEllis wrote:
Under these circumstances my insurer reserves the right to say "clear off"

Or says if stolen within 500m of my address will double the excess.

Just garage it or pay the proper insurance.

If its stolen you'd have to lie to the police about where it was stolen from and the hole would just get deeper.


This. My insurance says if my bike got nicked more than 500 metres from my house I. E. The girlfriends house then my excess doubles.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No set rule as every insurer/policy will differ.

I expect generally - if you have a garage elsewhere its 'insured at', and presuming you don't want to risk some uber-fraudz trying to claim it was nicked from the garage it was never in, if its parked outside your policy address when its supposed to be in a garage elsewhere, you may have issues.

That being said - did you ever specify the garage was elsewhere, if the garage was just 'included' with the address you could say it garaged, and stolen from the property, perhaps covers both angles if you aren't grilled too much Thinking

My bike is regularly not 'kept overnight' in the garage its supposed to be as its either at work during night shifts or 60 miles away 'at someones i'm visiting' should anything bad ever happen.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:


Heh Laughing

Without a condition precedent (it is a condition precedent to the liability of the insurer in respect of theft that the vehicle is kept within a locked garage between the hours of .....) the insurer couldn't possibly look to repudiate the loss - there's been no breach of condition.

It would then, if it wanted to escape liability, have to seek avoidance of the policy ab initio on the grounds of non-disclosure but frankly they'd never get away with it in a million years - as long as you did actually have the garage that is. If you lied and said you had a garage when you didn't then they'd be nailed on for inducement but if you had a garage and it was kept in there most of the time (of course it was, right?) but just not on this particular occasion then if they were not prepared to offer cover without the garage they should have endorsed the condition precedent specifically onto the policy.

Clearer? Sometimes I go spakstik and make no sense.


So in simple terms, if you have a garage, unless they state specifically it won't be covered for theft unless it was in the garage (and there is forced entry to the garage) then they have to cover it?
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a nutshell, yes Wink
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