Gay Marriage

[Drax]

I believe that marriage should be between a man & a woman.

I do not believe that a same sex marriage is positive if children are involved.

I believe that Cameron is only looking for the gay vote by endorsing this change in the law.

These are only my personal opinions.

I hope that there may be some constructive /enlightening debate about the above?

[Sload]

Seems to be a bit of an upsurge in the interest of the more taboo subjects of late.

I suppose to add my two penneth, Not that I give a proverbial nats ass, but marriage by definition is a descendant of religious institution? So by that right then gay marriage is not permitted. Therefore a same sex couple should not be wed (as far as I am aware, bible innit). The landscape is obviously a little different in modern (soon to be past) times with marriage adopted outside religion (why?).

So I guess in a long about way I'm saying its really not anything to do with the government, go pester the church(es).
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[dan_flash]

Straight or gay, marriage is a mug's game.

But if I have to have an opinion; gay marriage is fair and well and seeing as all areas of religions/cults/spiritual beliefs are loosely defined and have multiple interpretations and are selectively followed then there is little reason why something like marriage should be exclusive to hetrosexual partnerships.
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[tbourner]

Gays aren't natural, it shouldn't be promoted and they certainly shouldn't be having kids - ie: natural selection should weed it out as a negative mutation that doesn't help the species. However by that rationale blow jobs aren't natural either as they don't help procreation so we should get rid of those too

Having said all that, personally I don't have a problem, I see everyone as they are and not dependant on whichever bucket they've been categorised in, if they're a cunt then I treat them as such. All the crap like Lenny Henry saying TV is 'too white' and people claiming we should have 25% women in director positions - seriously I mean WTF, why do people even see any difference between people, they're trying to reduce segregation and be PC but they're being xxx-ist just by enacting a PC standpoint!! Treat everyone equal no matter what, with the possible exception of disableds who should have a certain level of help to do things that ableds take for granted.
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[Quornholio]

Would you prefer foster kids to go to a pair of gays, happily cohabiting, or Hindley and Brady?

Doesn't affect me, I've no problems with it. There should always be an exception that if a religion doesn't believe in it, they shouldn't have to carry it out. The Bible thumpers are the biggest hypocrites on this subject though.
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[metalangel]

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I too think marriage is a mugs game.

I think that there should be equal "legally shit" for gays and straights in terms of next of kin rights, etc etc.

Is there anything specific that the new "gay marriage" provides for that the "civil partnership" did not? It seems pretty fickle to be gunning just for the word "marriage".

In regards to the religious side of things, a church (of whatever faith) is a private club/association of individuals. If you want to be part of the club, you have to obey the club rules. If the club rules say "no homos allowed" even to the point of specifically stating such in the rulebook, then it would seem disrespectful to protest and kick up a fuss and say "let me in! It's not fair!", furthermore why would you even want to join a club when you are fundamentally not welcome?

By all means start a new denomination of church (god knows there's enough already) and have gay marriage there, it's your club - you get to write the rules!

I'd especially be against the notion that govt's could compel churches to marry gays, church shouldn't be able to tell the govt what to do and vice versa.

[tbourner]

Marriage isn't anything to do with religion any more though, I had no religion at all at my wedding, it's just a legal contract.
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[Flatbadger]

50 years ago it was illegal to be actively gay, now this has come to pass!

It seems a very fast transition, doesn't it? A good example of the power of mass media.
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[Llama-Farmer]

Divorce is not recognised by the Catholic church, or many other religions, yet that still happens in conventional legal marriage. So using a marriage as a religious argument is flawed if you accept divorce.

I don't see what peoples problem with gay marriage is anyway, it's just a further progression of acceptance and equality.

Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone except the gay people getting married...
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[Rogerborg]

OW! MY TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE! IT'S BEING UNDERMINED!
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[lukamon]

minority of people are made much happier by something that costs me nothing and affects me even less
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[Raffles]

I can't understand why bigoted dinosaurs are getting so uptight about gay marriage.
Personally, I can't see any problem with allowing freaks to share the same privileges that normal people enjoy.
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[Pigeon]

I just don't get how some folk can get so excited about trying to maintain the delivery of fairly tales.
Religion is man made, so man can decide to act in whatever fucking way he/she chooses. We decide the "rules" by which we are governed.

Where it becomes an issue in my eyes, is where there are legal ramifications. So in terms of marriage, there are (or were) tax benefits and mortgage benefits etc to the classification of marriage. So it seems entirely right to allow same sex marriage.

In terms of the "family unit", who gives a fig if its a man and a woman, or a man and a man, or two women and a man. It's the environment the child is brought up in that its important. I daresay there are some terrible hetrosexual couples (and likely terrible homosexual ones too). The makeup of the family is not important, its how it functions that is.


Having said that, it's quite clear that the recent storms and flooding was down to the gays.

[Quornholio]

[Clutchy]

Gays





Keeps the population down
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[Im-a-Ridah]

I'm pro equal marriage, just like I'm pro free speech, pro right to bear arms, and so on. I am slightly concerned though that the rights focused on are those desired by the left, whilst those of the right are ignored, and that isn't right. I would have preferred to see the gay marriage bill go through Parliament with something for each side in it, gay marriage certainly, but also an in/out referendum on the EU.

[wizzzard]

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Surely this is just to appease the gay activists? You can be legally bound in a civil partnership, without getting married.

It's more a case of, "if straight people can do it we want the right to do it too". What next, the "right" to produce offspring?

I couldn't give a toss as long as being gay stays a minority interest. If everyone suddenly decided to become a shirt/blouse lifter, the human species would cease to exist within a generation. It's not natural however the PC brigade try to dress it up. If it was, you wouldn't need a male and a female to reproduce.

The natural instinct to have sex with people of the opposite sex is to maintain the species, the urge is a natural response for survival by reproduction and should be inbuilt to your genetic make up. Having the urge to have sex purely with someone of the same sex goes against this inherent inbuilt natural instruction. In a way, it's a defect within your natural instruction.
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[wizzzard]

Maybe it is natural, maybe were continuing to evolve and this is a necessary step. Or maybe it's natures way of slowing down the overpopulation.

I do agree on the civil partnership being enough ( straight or gay ) other than for those with a religious bent.
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[Rogerborg]

Heh, bent.

The best bit for me is that - despite the laughable assurances from Whitehall - cultists will be obliged to sell their binding spells to Adam and Steve as well as Adam and Eve now.
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[oldpink]

don't see why not
I was married in a church to keep the Mrs happy, but I do not recognize religion so does that make my marriage a sham ??
marriage is what you make it
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[Lord Percy]

I understand why homosexual couples want to gain an equal status in society, but also I think it's hilarious that they so desperately want to be part of this massive cult tradition as if it's something really important and vital to their lives. What I mean is, I think the institution of marriage is utterly archaic and anyone who so urgently wants to achieve the status of 'married' is just a blind follower of the status quo. To me it's the same as children crying to get the latest toy just because all their friends have one. They just want to fit in and follow the crowd instead of thinking about things for themselves.

What is marriage anyway, really? People shouldn't be arguing to join in, they should be fighting for its abolition, in my opinion. It's just an exacerbation of deeply rooted cult dogma.