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mikesaa309
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Proof of modifications? Reply with quote

Turns out my insurance company wants a few documents including both parts of my driving license (which I'm still waiting for but hasn't been 3 weeks yet since passing my test), signed contract documents etc and the last thing it proof of modifications.

What are they asking for specifically? How does one prove modifications? I also presume this means proof of restriction seeing as I'm on a A2 licence, again how do they want me to prove that? Take pictures of the restrictors? In which case what's to stop anyone from
getting pictures of the internet or something?

This restriction thing is a load of bullshit and IMO another thing insurance companies can do you for if you were to make a claim. Lets say you put the restrictors in the bike, but then polish the ports, change exhaust system and put performance air filters in. You've restricted it to 46 bhp IF the bike was standard but then added say 10 bhp for example by doing the other tweaks to it. But they don't say that they expect you to go get the bike dyno tested and get a certificate to prove that it's at 46 bhp.

So am I now gonna have to fuck about getting the bike dyno tested or will a pretty picture do? Also are they wanted pictures of other things like exhaust system, indicators, tyres not being the stock manufacture? Unless they want receipts, providing a certificate for other mods such as mirrors or handle bars, isn't really much of an option.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find the legal certificate attached.

Did you declare any mods? No? Forget it then.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Find the legal certificate attached.

Did you declare any mods? No? Forget it then.


Should do the trick Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Proof of modifications? Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
What are they asking for specifically?

When they asked you what type of license you have, what options did they offer? What did you tell them?

Until you know otherwise, I'd assume that they're asking for proof of non-stock items that would cost more to replace if it were dropped / stolen.

Best to ask them though. Better yet to get it in writing.

Don't suggest anything or volunteer one shred of information beyond what they specifically ask you to provide.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask them.

What modifications have you told them that you've got?
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They know I'm on a A2 licence and that the bike is restricted.

But not entirely sure how I'd prove restrictions, even if I had a certificate to say the bike has restrictors in it, doesn't mean the bike is producing 46 bhp. Could have polished the ports up and changed exhaust system etc to gain a few more BHP even with restrictors in it. So are they wanting me to get it dyno tested?

But then they still haven't be specific of what they mean by modifications. Would have thought they would have said "proof of restriction" rather than modifications, because surely modifications means anything that isn't factory standard including things like make of tyre not being the same as when it first left the factory?

I also haven't told them of any modifications but then why would someone lie about a modification and risk bumping their premium up? Also the only way I can see to prove modifications is to provide pictures but what's to stop someone from getting images of the internet of a mod? No way to prove it's your bike in the picture.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask them what they're wanting to see.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When doing your quote I assume you clicked on modifications and the on to the engine tab and added the restrictor?

If so that's what they're asking for. Just get a receipt when you bought the restrictors or fabricate a nice looking letter from a garage with a letter head saying they fitted them.


Alternatively kick up a storm and moan at them, ask what they consider is proof
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't ask, tell.

Say it is restricted. Here is my cert. Send paint pic.

As for what Ste said, exactly. Call and ask. Then tell Wink
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
They know I'm on a A2 licence and that the bike is restricted.

That's very unfortunate. If you volunteered that information then I hope you've learned your lesson.

There's no possible way we can guess what they're asking. For one thing, we don't even know who They are.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to ask them for clarification.

Again: do not suggest anything. Ask them to spell out exactly what is it that they want. Your line is "Can you be more specific?" If they can't, that's their problem, not yours.
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
That's very unfortunate. If you volunteered that information then I hope you've learned your lesson.

There's no possible way we can guess what they're asking. For one thing, we don't even know who They are.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to ask them for clarification.

Again: do not suggest anything. Ask them to spell out exactly what is it that they want. Your line is "Can you be more specific?" If they can't, that's their problem, not yours.


They're also sadly asking for both parts of my driving licence so I'm not able to get away with saying I have a full A category licence and I'm sure saying that I'm not restricted would result me getting my insurance refused.

According to the proposal thing the only modification is restrictors. So I presuming I have to prove this. Doesn't say how, and according to this MCN article, https://goo.gl/lfdqez, although it's on about the old 33 bhp restrictions, certificates are NOT proof of restrictions according to police and insurances. Also mentions that a met traffic officer said that if they're under the impression that a bike isn't not restricted then the only way to really prove it is to get it tested. Plus there isn't a industry standard on what the certificates look like and who can issue them. So this restriction bullshit is quite fucked up really. Looks like they haven't really thought it through properly.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm inferring that you've already told them that the bike is restricted? That was a mistake, but it's been made.

You really are going to have to ask them what form of evidence they expect to see.

One question though: on what basis do you believe that the bike is restricted?
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:


According to the proposal thing the only modification is restrictors. So I presuming I have to prove this. Doesn't say how.


Presume; doesn't say. ASK
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:03 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My insurance company wanted to see certificate of restriction with bike make, model and reg number on it

sent it off, reply was that it needed proof it had been fitted - I questioned the legality of that as I'd fitted it myself and was within the law to have done so.

"a signature on headed paper from a garage to confirm it's fitted should do"

Bike had gone into garage for something anyway so wasn't too hard to just jump through the hoop.


Insurance came up for renewal and new insurance company didn't care.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^
Which just "proved" that it had been fitted, not that it was still there. They really are chumps.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daffyd wrote:
My insurance company wanted to see certificate of restriction with bike make, model and reg number on it

sent it off, reply was that it needed proof it had been fitted - I questioned the legality of that as I'd fitted it myself and was within the law to have done so.

"a signature on headed paper from a garage to confirm it's fitted should do"

Bike had gone into garage for something anyway so wasn't too hard to just jump through the hoop.


Insurance came up for renewal and new insurance company didn't care.


When you say you had to get a signature from a garage to confirm it, you mean they took the bike apart to check for restrictiors?
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