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PostPosted: 04:21 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

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but relationship and actually doing anything don't think it would work well. I'm not that confident/interesting/funny so not like hooking up works that well anyway.


You need to find someone kind, with a modicum of intelligence - the kind of intelligence that's about people (not nerdy maths intelligence). What I'm saying is there may well be lots of reasons why a relationship might not "work well." But a kind person who values good qualities - like, I dunno - honesty, caring about others, loyalty, being strong, etc. etc. - I don't think you should ever assume that a relationship with a person like that would not work well. But you have to avoid those who aren't like this, those who have weakness which might make them cruel, and people who lack some sort of inner warmth.

If you can find someone kind, and be kind to 'em in turn - well, that could make for a decent first step towards something good. Kindness is underrated these days, and as a virtue seems to have all but fallen by the wayside.
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PostPosted: 04:34 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to say a lot as I'm no expert on this.

I think you have made a massive step by wanting to discuss this, and the anonymity of a new user name on a forum is a perfect means to do so. Well done for making this first step, much damage can be done by keeping these things buried deep down.

I'm my opinion you are not currently ready to be hooked up with someone, I know you said counselling had failed in the past but I really think it could be the key to getting this sorted out for you. Have you considered some sort of hypnotherapy?

Will you get over this? Yes absolutely you can get through this and get on with your life. You won't ever forget what happened, but I'm sure you can gain the means to understand and cope with your past in such a way as no not impact on your future life. There are loads of people in similar situations that are leading happy and fulfilled lives, so there is no reason why you can't be the same.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do and I wish you all the best on your journey ahead.
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PostPosted: 06:44 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hit the gym, beat the fuck out of your brother, close that chapter.
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PostPosted: 06:58 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

STOP THINKING START RIDING.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Hit the gym, beat the fuck out of your brother, close that chapter.


Yeah - my only thing with that is that he'd probably been utterly shat on in every way conceivable by his dad. It was getting a beating that made him a beater.

I'm all for vengeance but...well, I'm still going to try and make kindness the thing here.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Drifter wrote:
Any advice welcomed.

Hello I'm not just some random person before anyone says anything I'm just using this to hide my real identity; you can understand why.

Anyway this is kind of hard to talk about makes me feel disgusted and ashamed. But when I was younger I was abused by my older brother (I'm a guy). Wasn't just me that he abused it was also my friend when he came over and a family friends kid. The images are quite vivid even to this day. It wasn't anything too deep, however it was just sizing competition and he did oral (didn't know what was happening at the time I was about 6 he was 10).

My brother when he was younger did get beaten regularly by my father with a thick leather belt and then brother took the abuse out on me. Used to hit, kick, bite, spit, throw table legs at me. Also made me stand in fear for an hour ended up urinating standing still. Anyway since then I've only ever had one relationship (didn't last long nothing sexual) I'm in my late 20's now left home obviously still a virgin. I did tell my ma (the only person other than this site now) a few years later but think she is in denial/or thinks I'm lying.

Now a friend of mine is trying to hook me up with someone I can't obviously tell him I'm not that open on this subject. However I don't really see the need for a relationship, don't have that calling like other people to be with other people. Yes I do find gals hot and have sexual feelings but relationship and actually doing anything don't think it would work well. I'm not that confident/interesting/funny so not like hooking up works that well anyway.

Just after advice will I get over this in the end Question I've had counseling before several times never worked never helped.

Makes me feel wrong that I should be in a relationship 90% of the people I know have got kids, others have relationships ongoing etc.


Sorry for the long winded post but had to get it out there, think it's time I tried to do something.


I think you've made rather too much of something that wasn't much of a big deal. I knows that's entirely subjective but it's an axiom that if you think a problem big, it'll be big. Sexual experimentation between siblings at a young age isn't unusual and nor is it abnormal, even between same-sex. Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times before we'd fully sussed what was going on (we never got the birds & bees shinola from parents or school) and we laughed like drains over it years later. Like, big fucking deal.

You were six, it was normal, stop making it a big deal in your mind and move on.

The violence stuff...meh, sibling combat, eastern front stylee. Get over that too, it's small potatoes (unless you subconsciously enjoy indulging the memories as a tragedy).

Sorry if I'm sounding harsh but it's in your mind and you are master of it. So stomp down dude.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times before we'd fully sussed what was going on


Wait....what?

Hate to tell you this, but that isn't normal.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer sounds harsh, however the essence being that you can't change the past but you can change how you see historic events and by doing so improve your present and future.

It is a temptation to blame actions by others for our present fears/failings. You are in control of your life, no-one else.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

SlimRick wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times before we'd fully sussed what was going on


Wait....what?

Hate to tell you this, but that isn't normal.


Sez who? Define 'normal' anyway. Used to be 'normal' to marry and fuck your sister.

All experiences are ultimately subjective and perceptual anyway and there to be manipulated by personal consciousness. Do you really think there's much chance, if you're able to prove that me and my brother jerking each other off as kids was highly abnormal, that I'll suddenly break down in a gaylord crisis of manhood and identity? Zero fucks will still be given. A bunch of us (kids on the caravan park where we lived) were diddled by the resident nonce/weirdo too. We lolled (and grassed him up, stole all his fireworks, busted his windows and drove him away).

Maybe our generation was bred tougher, with a pre-deficit of fucks to give.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times.


This must not be allowed to just die and be forgotten in the quagmire of BCF posts and trash.
This needs exploring further.

Tell Uncle Silky more about this mutual masturbation between yourself and your brother.
How old were you both ?
Who instigated it first?
Did one of you begin to like it more ?
Define 'few' ? 4 times ? over 10 ?
How long did this go on for ?

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PostPosted: 10:04 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The solution to all this is cocaine...lots of it.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a young child I, too, was regularly subjected to severe, systematic beatings from my elder brothers. There was two of the bastards, so I probably received twice as much abuse as you (but without the blow-jobs). I reckon that this isn't uncommon amongst siblings though the severity probably does vary quite a bit.
It may sound harsh but you really do need to grow a pair (and you need to start using them). Don't bother with counselling, it's a waste of time. You also need to stop whingeing on internet forums. You should get out there and get some shagging done.
As you are inexperienced you don't yet realise that a lot of (most?) women aren't interested in having interesting little chats. They just want some hard knob.....So go give 'em some.

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PostPosted: 11:37 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
STOP THINKING START RIDING.


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PostPosted: 11:40 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
STOP THINKING START RIDING.


...your brother?
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, I hope that getting it all down in writing has helped get things off your chest. Actually talking about it is a good way of dealing with things. I am one of the worst people for keeping things to myself, and as you have seen with your experiences, bottling it up just turns it into a bigger problem. You're now in your late 20s and haven't yet dealt with things that happened when you were 6.

Secondly, you talk about feeling disgusted and ashamed. You need to tell yourself that there is no reason for you to be ashamed. This is not about actions that you took and now regret. This is something that happened to you, and at the age you were you wouldn't have had the wherewithal to protest. Dealing with this aspect will hopefully take some of the shame out of it. In fact, most children will experiment with sexual activity at some point before they even understand what it is. At the age of 10, would your brother have had a sexual motive behind what was going on? If not, are you simply judging this based on your new perspective as an adult?

Have you actually sat down and discussed your feelings with your brother? You and he are both adults now and both will have a different perspective on what happened. Yes, it's going to be a difficult conversation to have, but you won't be able to put this to bed until you find out what was going on in his mind at the time. What is your relationship like with him these days?

If you're not interested in a relationship then you're not interested. This is not necessarily a fault. Tell your mate that you're quite happy as you are for the time being, but thank him for thinking of you. Like you, I'm in my late 20s and I've never had anything resembling a relationship. I've always been quite content by myself. I do get a bit lonely on occasion, but generally I'm quite happy. Granted, I don't have much of a sex life, which is no fun. Like you, I've watched a lot of my friends get married and have children and I often wonder if I might be missing out. But for now, I'm quite happy as I am. If you don't want a relationship but you want a sex life, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would go for a "friends with benefits" setup.

Hopefully some of that helps. None of us can solve this for you, but perhaps you've got a few things to think about, that might offer you a new perspective.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times before we'd fully sussed what was going on


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PostPosted: 11:55 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already done. Razz
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times.


This must not be allowed to just die and be forgotten in the quagmire of BCF posts and trash.
This needs exploring further.

Tell Uncle Silky more about this mutual masturbation between yourself and your brother.
How old were you both ?
Who instigated it first?
Did one of you begin to like it more ?
Define 'few' ? 4 times ? over 10 ?
How long did this go on for ?

Talk to Uncle Silky
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I was eight or nine, he's eighteen months younger than me. It was a few months later I worked out two plugs were the wrong configuration. Laughing

I don't think either of us 'instigated' it, we were looking at wank mags we'd found 'in the bushes' and trying to work out how things worked. As it happened nothing worked, we were too young so we got bored with it.

Three years later me and Adrian Elwood got it on with Gaynor Church (who had shite in her knickers). Neutral Way to lose one's virginity. Ew.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Drifter wrote:
...he did oral...

... [I] left home obviously still a virgin....


Oral counts Thumbs Up


Seriously though, as Hetzer says, it's not that weird to find experimentation between siblings and it's very typical that an older brother will beat up the younger one. What I think would effect you most is your father laying out beatings on your 10yr old bro.

If anyone needs revisiting it's your father not your brother, per sé. He would appear to be the root of your 'issues'.

I actually don't think it's that weird for someone not to be interested in a relationship at your age. My sister is a dozen years older and hasn't found or, to my knowledge, looked particularly hard for a significant other.

Unless you're habitually knocking girls back who seem keen, I wouldn't actually dwell on that aspect too much.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Drifter wrote:
and he did oral

A free blow job is a free blow job.




Seriously though: I agree with Hetzer and others who have said the heavier you make of some stuff that happened when you were a kid, the more fucked up you get.

Instead of getting all bent out of shape about it, learn to feel happy in the knowledge that you treat people more decently than your brother treated you. Its his dark stuff, it needn't be yours.

Box it up, move forward.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advice i've read/got when it comes to relationships is you have to feel contempt and happy with yourself before making any attempt at romance. As I found out the hard way all that suppressed stuff comes out in not very nice ways when you become close enough to a significant other.

Also i'll echo what others have said that you don't 'need' anyone in your life to be happy. I thought that getting a girlfriend would automatically mean all life's problems will be sorted, which is obviously wrong.

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Regarding your brother i'm sorry to hear that, it might be worth having that difficult talk, if he's still around and not too much of a cock end.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

I think you've made rather too much of something that wasn't much of a big deal.
Sexual experimentation between siblings at a young age isn't unusual and nor is it abnormal, even between same-sex. Me and my brother jerked each other off a couple of times before. Like, big fucking deal.

You were six, it was normal, stop making it a big deal in your mind and move on.


This really isn't normal Hetzer. It deviates from social norms and this is why it isn't normal. The majority of the people in this country, in fact the majority of the world do not jerk off there brothers, trying to justify it by saying you were six and experimenting is not a reasonable explanation.


As for the OP,

How did you friend deal with it? is he dealing with it? Maybe it's something you can discuss with your friend as you've been through the same ordeal. Deal with it together or seek advice from him.

People saying it's not a big deal, well imho they're wrong. It is a big deal, sexual and physical abuse is what you've been a victim to and it's not something you're going to be able to forget about. The best way to deal with such a thing is to overcome the the root of your problem, your brother, once you've dealt with him* the consequences of the abuse should soon fade away as more things should become obvious to you, such as you shouldn't feel disgusted or ashamed, it's not something you've done wrong, it's something that's happened to you and unfortunately you can't change that but don't let it determine/affect your future.

The consequences of this abuse aren't abnormal but they shouldn't be a burden, make it more of an obstacle that you have to overcome. Try and overcome that feeling of feeling disgusted and ashamed, tell yourself that it's not your fault and that you have no reason to feel such things, because you really don't, as it's not your fault and you did nothing wrong at all.

As for you going into a relationship, just because people you know are married with kids doesn't mean you have to… unless you want to be. I'd strongly recommend the date though, being in your late 20's and not popped yet, it's about time you got on the prowl mate (no offence btw) Thumbs Up

*As for dealing with your brother, i'd recommend sitting down and discussing it if possible and then some form of punishment, what he did was disgusting and warrants some form of severe beating or torture. I genuinely feel sorry for the OP and absolutely despise sexual abuse, especially at a young age.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, just console yourself in the fact you will never be as fucked up as Hetzer is. There's always someone that's got it worse than you. I wouldn't necessarily even blame your brother, as 10 is very young and it doesn't sound like your dad was a fantastic role model. Well, everyone makes mistakes, you can forgive or not, and that's only for you to decide.

In the past 10 years (I'm 28) I have spent about 50% of the time, out of a relationship, and 50% of the time in one, and I'd struggle to choose in all honesty, the freedom of being single is often overlooked. What I'm trying to say is you might not have it as bad as you think you do! As you say you find girls hot but worry about a proper relationship, then I'd be aiming for a fuckbuddy if I were you, then you have the physical benefits and company, whilst still maintaining freedom. I'd accept your friends offer of trying to hook you up with someone, but say you don't want anything serious. Plenty of people feel like that - it's not abnormal.

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Abuse and Relationships Reply with quote

Drifter wrote:
Hello I'm not just some random person before anyone says anything I'm just using this to hide my real identity; you can understand why.


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