Another Scottish Independence thread

[dydey90]

Thoughts?

Seems to be all roast beef for everybody and beer will be a penny a pint.
One of the things I saw in the twitter feed though "There will be no border controls between Scotland and England". So that means all that Scotland would have to do is drop their VAT rate to less than England and suddenly every import gets re-routed there.
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[Derivative]

I don't see any mention of the North Sea in the article. Will have to give the PDF a reading over, it's not loading for me right now.

Without that decision, well...

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[stinkwheel]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The single biggest argument I can see for Scottish Independance is nothing Alex Salmond claims will or will not happen, it's that the Tory party are so set against it.

They claim Scotland is costing the rest of the UK money and they certainly don't derive any political advantage. There would never have been a labour majority if it wasn't for the Scottish vote and there is only one Scottish Tory MP.

So why are they so opposed to Scotland dissolving the act of union? What's in Scotland for them other than a testing ground for future, potentially unpopular policies (nobody votes for them anyway so what is there to loose?) and somewhere sufficiently far away from Westminster to store their nuclear deterrant?
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[Skudd]

It appears that the English want separation more than the Scotch do.
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[angryjonny]

Assuming it also means Scotland's withdrawal from the EU, I'd imagine the rest of us in WhatsleftoftheUK will watch with interest to see how that works out. Maybe we'll try it ourselves one day.

It does make Scotland look a bit like a grumbly teenager though: "This place is crap, I hate living here, you're all horrible, I'm leaving!"

[Bubbs]

If it works out for Scotland then Wales will be next... or England will be next and Wales will be forced.

I don't honestly see the need.
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[charlie74]

everyone in the uk should ask for their hardcopy version of the docs
that way they have the facts

it will also send a message to the SNP as they have only a limited fund to print it all, but promised a physical copy to anyone who asked

i do belive that salmond is playing on the emotional side to try and push this through as there are no solid answers yet on the key issues the main being the continued use of sterling

[oldpink]

I'm behind Independence 100% for far too long Scotland has suffered due to Westminster pandering to the south
and ignoring the Scottish peoples wishes and having to live under governments we never voted for

let Scotland decide Scotland's future

as to the EU well we have probably a better chance of staying in the EU if we are independent
as it looks like most of the tory's and UKIP seem to want to take Britain out again against the wishes of most Scots
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[Derivative]

To split the country based on short-term vote winning would be utterly ridiculous.

As a politician I'd do a fair amount to whore votes, but splitting the country in two is a bit far.

[oldpink]

[Benno]

The northern north-western corner of the southern region of central Norfolk doesn't need the UK as much as the UK needs the northern north-western corner of the southern region of central Norfolk.
Bill, his wife, and their two neighbours, the Maceys and the Joneses, are much better off than the rest of Norfolk and frankly are tired of other Norfolkians being able to walk freely on their land, and of their taxes and hard work being put to waste propping up other Norfolkians. Furthermore, the northern north-western corner of the southern region of central Norfolk provides 50 times more beeswax (from Mr Jones' beehive) per head than the rest of Norfolk. Average income in the area is also 200 times higher than the rest of Norfolk and the (9) local residents tend to have higher paying jobs and a better education than other Norfolkians.

There is simply no logical reason for the northern north-western corner of the southern region of central Norfolk to remain as part of the union of Norfolk, nor as part of the greater UK. I urge all our citizens to vote YES in the upcoming referendum. I'll be coming over in five minutes with tea and biscuits for Dr Who night and we can discuss our becoming a new country.


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Residents of the village of Isolationton, in mid Kent, have voted yes to independence today.

Average income in the village is three times higher than the national average. It is also responsible for producing twice as much dairy milk per capita than the average UK citizen thanks to Mr Hardacre's dairy farm. The average pension is £0.73 higher than the UK average, and the village is surrounded by natural resources including timber, arable fields, and cows, that they frankly feel they have more of a right to than the rest of the UK. However, mainly due to all of this, the residents of Isolationton paid 3% more taxes than the UK average.
Feeling that this was a totally unjust situation the residents - now citizens - have elected to form their own new country. New passports are being issued, produced in China at minimal cost, although they have not yet figured out how to introduce a new currency since most of the residents are retirees and farmers.


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Tim has elected to declare his personal independence as a sovereign nation-person, seceding his person from the sovereign nation that is the UK. As of this moment, according to Tim, his body and whatever he is wearing at any given moment constitutes his sovereign territory, and strict visa controls are required to enter. His wife, unfortunately, failed the visa application and was deported back to the UK on foot.

Tim says that since his income is higher than the UK average, he has access to many more natural resources than others due to his exceedingly advantageous mobile geographic position, and that his productivity over the course of his working life so far has been 0.22% above UK average, he feels that it is unfair to have to pay taxes to prop up institutions that serve those that do not work as hard as he does. He has made a net contribution to net leeching ratio of 2:1.993, and so naturally he feels as though he has been exploited by the state and those lazy people that do not work quite as hard.

As a result his independence has been declared. The TDF (Tim's Defence Forces) have promised to brutally repel any invader, and are reportedly armed with fingernails and a long stick in case force projection is ever required - Tim has stated that he has the reputation, know how, cultural attitude and economic prowess to be a major power and recognised on the international stage. He was appalled when the UN did not even respond to his demand for a seat on the permanent security council.
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[whitmorereans]

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[instigator]

Roll on Friday 19th September 2014 so we can seek closure on this fucking boring topic.

[Lord Percy]

One of the plans is for Scotland to have its own military. It would be really annoying if Scotland gained independence and then a few years down the line there was an England-Scotland war over the North Sea oil.

Because that's the main thing that's gonna cause the most quarrelling, if the vote does end up with the UK ending.

[stinkwheel]

Can I point out to the panel that Sterling is a freely tradeable currency and that anyone who wants to use it, can use it.

The Bank of England do not have a say in this matter.

It should also be pointed out that the Scottish banks hold enormous quantities of Bank of England currency in the form of massive denomination banknotes, which are lodged with the Bank of England on a nightly basis as the underpinning of their own banknotes.
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[angryjonny]

[stinkwheel]

[oldpink]

[Im-a-Ridah]

Sturgeon (are all Scottish Ministers fish?) still thinks Scatland will get the Type 23 warship contract in the event of independence... too funny! Even if they buy 1 or 2, that isn't going to give them workshare equal to all of the ships combined.

Other than that, it looks like a free stuff bribe attempt with no way to pay for it. Are Scottish voters smart enough to see through it? Personally Scatland leaving suits me just fine (fewer Labour MPs, end to paying for free uni for Scots etc).

[whitmorereans]

[fatpies]